Paul I:5 teaches us:

[Rev. Smith]

Paul was his Apostle, James was his brother....

 

[MarkAnthony]

Paul was his Apostle, James was his brother....

Let me try to help you Brother.

Then the angel said to the women in reply, "Do not be afraid! I know that you are seeking Jesus the crucified. 4 He is not here, for he has been raised just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. Then go quickly and tell his disciples, 'He has been raised from the dead, and he is going before you to Galilee; there you will see him.' Behold, I have told you." Then they went away quickly from the tomb, fearful yet overjoyed, and ran to announce 5 this to his disciples. 6 And behold, Jesus met them on their way and greeted them. They approached, embraced his feet, and did him homage. Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Gotell my brothers to go to Galilee, and there they will see me."

Did he not want them to tell Paul too? There is another thread somewhere that you can debate the brothers of CHRIST vs. The Brothers of Christ not that it matters. To me all his apostles were also his brothers... this is how I read this.

 

[SPALATIN]

Paul was his Apostle, James was his brother....

What proof do you have that James was Jesus' mother's son? The title Brother back then could also refer to a cousin. There is no biblical proof that James was the blood brother of Jesus.

 

[MarkAnthony]

This thread is about Paul's teachings 1:5.. the thread about brothers is captured under the discussion about the Perpetual Virginity of Mary. Please go there for answers and questions are there for you as well.. Thanks! GOD BLESS!

 

[MarkAnthony]

Your boasting is not appropriate. Do you not know that a little yeast 5 leavens all the dough? 6 Clear out the old yeast, so that you may become a fresh batch of dough, inasmuch as you are unleavened. For our paschal lamb, Christ, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
God will judge those outside. "Purge the evil person from your midst."

Why do we tolerate GAYs in the Christian Church? We should throw them out. Any person who supports GAY Marriage should go with them.
Paul tells us clearly that we must do this. His example is parallel.

Brother Paul tells us how to handle the GAY Marriage and Priest issue clearly... he protects the church that was his mission as well as Peters. Why have we deviated from his philosophy and wisdom?

 

[Rev. Smith]

What proof do you have that James was Jesus' mother's son? The title Brother back then could also refer to a cousin. There is no biblical proof that James was the blood brother of Jesus.

James the Just is repeatedly reffered to in scripture as the Brother of Jesus, making it likely that he was the son of his mother. Is it certain? No. Does it matter? No.

 

[MarkAnthony]

Why did you bring up the fact I called Paul his brother then? You brought up the fact Paul was his Apostle and James his brother...And then you go to does it really matter then? No...So I quoted Jesus who called all his Apostles his brothers...


And Paul, his brother who clearly let us know about purging evil in the church....
And I started a thread asking the question .....Why do we tolerate GAYs in the Christian Church? We should throw them out. Any person who supports GAY Marriage should go with them.

And I am clear about my opinion....and Paul's ....Brother or Apostle what do you think about his position ?

 

[MarkAnthony]

CALIFORNIA threw out their GAY MARRIAGES That is about 1/3 of the

Population of the Country......Is this an OMEN?

 

[Rev. Smith]

Why did you bring up the fact I called Paul his brother then? You brought up the fact Paul was his Apostle and James his brother...And then you go to does it really matter then? No...So I quoted Jesus who called all his Apostles his brothers...

You are correct, I brought it up because I misunderstood your point, I thought you were attempting to assert that St. James was not the brother of Christ in the familial sense, rather than your actual point that the Apostles were his "brothers" in the spiritual sense. - my bad.

And Paul, his brother who clearly let us know about purging evil in the church....
And I started a thread asking the question .....Why do we tolerate GAYs in the Christian Church? We should throw them out. Any person who supports GAY Marriage should go with them.

And I am clear about my opinion....and Paul's ....Brother or Apostle what do you think about his position ?

What I think is that Paul urged the discipline of expulsion for the specific case of incest. I'm not trying to split hairs here, but rather to point out that the most serious thing we can do is expell someone from God's house (because it is his, not mine or yours - sometimes as clergy we forget this and act from our own beliefs rather than scripture and tradition).

If a sinner, any sinner, is repentant and seeking grace and strength to sin no more then we must help them. If we perceive that they are not, then we must follow scripture - all of, which means approach them with Elders and witnesses and call upon them to repent, to forgivce and counsel - and only when this doesn't work - expell.

As to your final point, that we should expell those who support gay rights along with the gays, do you have any biblical authority for the expulsion of people who disagree with us? Even the Roman Church is not calling to expell Kerry supporters, but rather only in some dioceses to deny them communion.

God gave man minds to reason with, we can hardly call it a sin if they do so - even if we don't like their conclusion.

 

[MarkAnthony]

You are correct, I brought it up because I misunderstood your point, I thought you were attempting to assert that St. James was not the brother of Christ in the familial sense, rather than your actual point that the Apostles were his "brothers" in the spiritual sense. - my bad.



What I think is that Paul urged the discipline of expulsion for the specific case of incest. I'm not trying to split hairs here, but rather to point out that the most serious thing we can do is expell someone from God's house (because it is his, not mine or yours - sometimes as clergy we forget this and act from our own beliefs rather than scripture and tradition).

If a sinner, any sinner, is repentant and seeking grace and strength to sin no more then we must help them. If we perceive that they are not, then we must follow scripture - all of, which means approach them with Elders and witnesses and call upon them to repent, to forgivce and counsel - and only when this doesn't work - expell.

As to your final point, that we should expell those who support gay rights along with the gays, do you have any biblical authority for the expulsion of people who disagree with us? Even the Roman Church is not calling to expell Kerry supporters, but rather only in some dioceses to deny them communion.

God gave man minds to reason with, we can hardly call it a sin if they do so - even if we don't like their conclusion.

Throw them out and tell them not to come to mass until they have repented
and then confessed their sins. The Priest, if not a gay or abuser himself, will then at least know who is in his flock. The Catholic Church has closed 80 something churches from it's members...

DID GOD give them permission so that they could pick up the tab for the crisis and the poor attendance because their people are sickened by this scandel and horror?

If you slept with my son it is worse than incest to him it is sex abuse and incest in the sense that we are all brothers or sisters under CHRIST.

To me both offenses are on the same level of evil and sickness in his heart.
If you know another is going to commit a murder and you do not fess
up are you guilty of murder? To sin kills the body. Spiritual wellness
can be achieved by ceasing from fleshly sin. GOD asks us this in many
examples through out his teachings.

If you know another is going to have sex with someone else's son or abuse them are you going to allow it? If you do and your reasoning is different than mine good luck to your flock. If your son or daughter asks for a fish or a loaf are you going to offer them a stone or a serpent?

Offering support towards sin is sin itself. If a strong stance ...zero tolerance is achieved then they know right from wrong. By the way are priests suppose to be gay? I thought that they could not be sexual at all? Or in some cases only have one wife? Check Timothy chapter 3.....

Offend one of these little ones and you would be better off with a millstone
hung around your neck and tossed into the ocean. That is my version of child
molesting and the crisis. Why not expell sexually twisted people from the church? Afterall, they are offending someone elses kid? Some one always
makes the first move right?

The Kerry liberals are not getting confession and are at Church? And not
getting Communion? I say that they are getting far worse an offense than
this denial. They are lying to the HOLY SPIRIT and themselves and removing
themselves from the Book ok Life as they live in Sin. They are tearing up
their ticket to the bus to HEAVEN knowingly. RIGHT in your face they will
actually tell you it is okay to be immoral.

Priests then are now stuck between the ROCK and the HOT PLACE. They want parishioners to attend and spend and they want them to repent by attending... I say close the door when someone knocks late at night without their oil in the lamp. Why share your oil when they knew that the Master was coming? A priest would say money is the root of all EVIL yet EVIL spelled
backwards is LIVE.... I say No to this. I say put them out until they find
themselves in the Darkness. When they see the LIGHT from the CHURCH
gleaming through the darkness then they will know what they have sacrificed and it is up to them to choose between sin and life.

Don't mess with my kid or you might find JESUS quick is my motto.