Partial-Birth Abbortion

[Scholar in training]

Partial birth abortion is the second most gruesome form of abortion (second only to the "dilation-and-evacuation" method, where the baby is literally dismembered). PBA is usually not necessary, and the baby most certainly feels pain at that stage of the pregnancy.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

Personaly I think any type of abortion is the lowest form of cowardace. (for this comment exluding the mothers physical well being) A very small percentige of abortions are preformed because of nessesity to health, I read once it is only 2%.(and this 2% included rape victims) I see it as mothers running away in fear from the most delicate and helpless humans on the face of the planet. Yeah, that makes for a tough woman pffft. Sure there is pain involved, but any responsable adult can recondnize accountability for thier actions.(let's be brave and make a baby pay for our carelessness...makes sence...HA!) And as far as the whole teenage mother crock, it's just that crock....I'm 21 years old and I have a 5 year old, and a 3 year old. It's tough, but doesn't justify killing an inoccent baby. I have one thing to say to those who do, and support abortion....GROW UP!

 

[PlumTea]

Personaly I think any type of abortion is the lowest form of cowardace. (for this comment exluding the mothers physical well being) A very small percentige of abortions are preformed because of nessesity to health, I read once it is only 2%.(and this 2% included rape victims) I see it as mothers running away in fear from the most delicate and helpless humans on the face of the planet. Yeah, that makes for a tough woman pffft. Sure there is pain involved, but any responsable adult can recondnize accountability for thier actions.(let's be brave and make a baby pay for our carelessness...makes sence...HA!) And as far as the whole teenage mother crock, it's just that crock....I'm 21 years old and I have a 5 year old, and a 3 year old. It's tough, but doesn't justify killing an inoccent baby. I have one thing to say to those who do, and support abortion....GROW UP!

I agree wholeheartedly. I used to make exceptions for special circumstances, but then my cousin was born (shes almost two). I have no children, but if I knew that my child would be as wonderful as her I wouldn't care about any other stuff. A lady at work was told it would be best if she aborted because the baby had spinal [something], she ignored the advice and the baby was born perfectly healthy.

I am married and have no doubt one day I will find out I've become pregnant and I will freak out really really badly because I don't know anything about that, but I'll deal with my fear and have the child.

If someone is so set against having kids, why not have an operation BEFORE your pregnant so you never have to make that decision. Some operations are even reversible if you change your mind..

 

[Moros]

It's murder.

 

[levi501]

It's murder.

so what?

 

[Chajara]

If someone is so set against having kids, why not have an operation BEFORE your pregnant so you never have to make that decision. Some operations are even reversible if you change your mind..

Because the vast majority of doctors seem to be unable to comprehend that a woman might actually know she never wants children, and will refuse to perform the procedure unless you're like 35 and already have three. My sister had my neice when she was around 29 or 30, she had one other kid already, and she STILL had to fight tooth and nail to have a tubal ligation because the doctor could not believe that a woman wouldn't want more than two kids.

I do not understand this at all.

Edit to add: Oh, and these operations are only sometimes reversable. You should NEVER look at sterilization at anything less than permanent, because if you're not absolutely sure and have it done and then change your mind, you are indeed screwed unless you're really lucky.

 

[Scholar in training]

so what?

Would you call suicide wrong?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I have to say, levi51 is being incredibly heartless about this. The mother has other options than abortion; adoption, for example. The slaughter of the baby at birth is inhumane and uncondoneable. Early- or mid- term abortion is acceptable (well, its a bit iffy for midterm, but you know wat i mean) usually, but to butcher an essentially fully-formed and independant creature? Barbaric.

 

[Niemand3D]

Why or why not? Well, to stop a pregnancy equates to ending it... A pregnancy is life within a female. To end said life is to alter the natural development of life, no matter what point of life it is. To end life dictates killing. This type of killing equates to murder (not by war or by self-defense).

 

[levi501]

Would you call suicide wrong?

no

 

[levi501]

I have to say, levi51 is being incredibly heartless about this. The mother has other options than abortion; adoption, for example. The slaughter of the baby at birth is inhumane and uncondoneable. Early- or mid- term abortion is acceptable (well, its a bit iffy for midterm, but you know wat i mean) usually, but to butcher an essentially fully-formed and independant creature? Barbaric.

It never ceases to be her body whether it's 2 months or 9.
You come up with the technology to beam a child out of the mother's womb without affecting her and I'll be all for it.
Until that child is physically independent from the mother, it's merely her property... nothing more. In this country we don't force people to donate organs, give blood or share biological resources with anyone even when it's matter of life or death. Why should this be any different for pregnant mothers?

 

[Yusuf Evans]

Until that child is physically independent from the mother, it's merely her property... nothing more.

From a worldly view, I can see your argument. But from a Christian standpoint we all belong to the Lord and so does our bodies. Therefore, we were all created by him, for him to serve. All humans are born for a reason, and whether you like it or not, this is the way Christians say it. Now, the law says a woman has the right to choose, therefore, I will support her decision, since we as Christians are supposed to obey the laws of those governing us in the world. However, whoever commits abortion for purposes of birth control, is the one who has to live with the decision. It begs to ask the question: Who could that child have become?

 

[feline]

It isnt.

"Partial birth abortion" isnt a medical term, nor does the description in the opening post describe any medical procedure. The fetus remains inside the body at all times, but the womb is broken open so that the fetus can be removed (this is where the words "partial birth" come from).


That is impossible.

These kinds of abortions are performed when the fetus is hydrocephalic (that means the head has swollen with fluid and cannot be safely delivered), or the fetus has died, or the fetus is severely malformed. If the fetus is hydrocephalic, then fluid has to be drained (this is where the description of "ramming a sharp instrument into the babies head and sucking it out through a tube" comes from - the description is meant to sound shocking, but the baby cannot pass through the womb unless the fluid is removed).

Adding to that, the fetuses cannot be safely carried to term, nor would they survive outside of the womb. There are only two options, the mother could carry to term (risking her life or the ability to have future pregnancies) or she could abort, there is no choice for adoption. About 95% of partial birth abortions take place before the 20th week, and none occur after 24 weeks.

As for the inhumanity of partial birth abortion, they represent 1% of the total number of abortion in the US, they are only performed on women who would be disabled or die if the fetus were carried to term (contrary to popular belief, there are stict laws regulating this procedure), and most states require fetal anesthetic before the procedure occurs. See ReligiousTolerance.org -Partial Birth Abortion.

Thank you for adding a little balance to the discussion

 

[Monica02]

Do you mean 'late term abortion'?

Partial birth abortion is a type of late term abortion.

 

[Monica02]

Any abortion is inhumane - I suppose the partial birth abortion pulls at the emotions of more people- but all abortions are brutal and kill an unborn human being.

 

[sk8Joyful]

If it's in her body and she wants it killed, it should be killed....this could be the day before she gives birth in my opinion.

Levi -
The fact that you're writing this, is proof your own mother was 'pro-LIFE': *your own* that is.
Plus,
Your reputation bar says: 'Levis' just really nice'. as a murderer?? - is this, your opinion, the best way you can think of, to 'Honor your own mother' to say nothing of God who created both your mother AND you, in the 1st. place. Were I you (and I am sure glad I am, not) - I would hang my head, ashamed.
And
then, resolve to *live a noble life*. Which I am sure you're quietlycapable of. In this, I do wish you Well.

 

[In A Perfect World]

Levi -
The fact that you're writing this, is proof your own mother was 'pro-LIFE': *your own* that is.
Plus,
Your reputation bar says: 'Levis' just really nice'. as a murderer?? - is this, your opinion, the best way you can think of, to 'Honor your own mother' to say nothing of God who created both your mother AND you, in the 1st. place. Were I you (and I am sure glad I am, not) - I would hang my head, ashamed.
And

Well that was awefully nice, to insult someone instead of come up with an intelligent reply.

I don't think Levi is a murderer, in fact, I think he's a man which means he has never or can never have an abortion.

 

[sk8Joyful]

A partial birth abortion simply because the baby isn't wanted is not only inhumane, but both the doctor and woman are morons if they agree to it. Partial birth abortion is a dangerous, painful procedure from what I've heard, and I should think that you'd have to be pretty darn desperate to resort to it. I had to have an abortion for medical reasons in the EARLY stage (as in, around 8 weeks) and even that was a horrible experience.
You've got to be out of your mind to want to have this done for no good reason.

Chajara -
May I ask, what 'desperate medical reason' you agreed to an abortion for?

 

[Lokisdottir]

Because the vast majority of doctors seem to be unable to comprehend that a woman might actually know she never wants children, and will refuse to perform the procedure unless you're like 35 and already have three. My sister had my neice when she was around 29 or 30, she had one other kid already, and she STILL had to fight tooth and nail to have a tubal ligation because the doctor could not believe that a woman wouldn't want more than two kids.

Oh, don't even get me started. I don't want children; I've never wanted children. But there is not a single doctor in this country who would sterilize me.

On the other hand, my boyfriend (who, thankfully, is equally opposed to having children) could walk into a doctor's office right now and get a vasectomy with no questions asked.

Apparently, women are not allowed to make this choice for themselves.

Yes, I know that tubal ligation is a more invasive and costly procedure than vasectomy, but that is never the reason the doctors refuse. It's always "But what if you change your mind later?" or "But what if you meet a man who wants children?" or "But don't you want babies?! All women want babies!" :eyeroll:

 

[FSTDT]

Levi -
The fact that you're writing this, is proof your own mother was 'pro-LIFE': *your own* that is.

Wait a minute, are you suggesting there is not a single pro-choice parent on the planet?

Perhaps you are conflating "pro-choice" with "pro-abortion" or "anti-baby". People who are pro-choice think that women have a right to control whether have children or not, pro-choice is not the same thing as saying that no women should have children.