Parole Violaters

[alli_boo]

Should their be harsher punishments for parole violaters?
What are your views on parole violaterS? What do you consider a violation?

 

[fluffy_rainbow]

What sort of payroll violations are we talking about?

 

[fluffy_rainbow]

Oh, or are you talking about parole violators? *confused*

 

[alli_boo]

Oh, or are you talking about parole violators? *confused*

Parole sorry about the spelling error...

 

[Soc12]

Can you be a little more specific with your question?

 

[alli_boo]

Can you be a little more specific with your question?

Not really, it is pretty specific. What punishment do you think parole violaters should recieve/if any? And how do you feel about people on parole that commit crimes? Is the system really doing them and us justice?

 

[Soc12]

Not really, it is pretty specific. What punishment do you think parole violaters should recieve/if any? And how do you feel about people on parole that commit crimes? Is the system really doing them and us justice?

I don't think it's very specific. People can violate parole by being out too late at night, by drinking, by stealing, by doing a lot of different things.

 

[alli_boo]

I don't think it's very specific. People can violate parole by being out too late at night, by drinking, by stealing, by doing a lot of different things.

Yes and I asked what are your views on the punishment they recieve...

 

[repentandbelieve]

Yes and I asked what are your views on the punishment they recieve...

Certainly the nature, or severity, of the violation needs to be considered in determining the amount, or type, of punishment parole violators recieve.

When a person "paroles" from prison they are in a sense being released back into society early. Basically, they are on probation and restricted from certain types of activitys until the length of their parole exspires.

In my experience of working as a Prison Guard for 18 yrs I have known hundreds of parole violaters. Yes, in some cases, parole agents have been overzealous in arresting parolee's for violating the terms of their parole. But in my opinion these cases are rare.

In general, the punishment parole violators recieve is just. Typically, the punishment for parole violators is a 1 year sentance.

There is the matter the states liability and responsibilty of maintaining public safety. When convicted felons are released back into society before the length of their prison terms have expired the state may be found liable for the damages these parolees cause.

For example, a person is convicted of felony drunk driving and sentanced to 10 yrs in prison. After serving 5 yrs. of his 10 yr. sentance he is paroled back into society for the remaining 5 yrs of his sentance. The terms and conditions of his parole prohibit him not only from drinking and driving, but also from drinking alcohol period. This may seem harsh and unfair since drinking alcohol is considered legal for other people.

In order to protect itself from public liability the state must restrict this parolee from drinking alcohol period. It's a matter of liability.

 

[Evee]

No they have made things so harsh anyway that especially women don't hold a chance.
I think Rehab is much better choice.

 

[Evee]

There is a lady in my family that has had problems.
Some she brought on herself.
Most in fact.
My mind does not comprehend how she was thinking........she has already been in this time for 2 years.
She is habitual but if she had been locked up in rehab instead of jail then she may have had a chance.
Her problem was poverty and drugs I really don't know which came first.
Well I think the drugs brought on the poverty.
Now this sounds totally unreal but if she does not have a job lined up she is not able to even go up for paraole.
How can she do this?
With Rehab there could be a better chance of survival.
Even Martha Stewart has seen the other side and has a heart.
I know many are maniupalators but they need help some rehab.
Instead of 8 years prison or jail time give them same amount of time in a rehab so they can be schooled and be a productive person when they get out.
If they are not trainable then the option of jail time.
I think the justice system is totally flawed.Slight hi-jack but here is a letter Martha Stewart wrote.http://www.marthatalks.com/

 

[repentandbelieve]

There is a lady in my family that has had problems.
Some she brought on herself.
Most in fact.
My mind does not comprehend how she was thinking........she has already been in this time for 2 years.
She is habitual but if she had been locked up in rehab instead of jail then she may have had a chance.
Her problem was poverty and drugs I really don't know which came first.
Well I think the drugs brought on the poverty.
Now this sounds totally unreal but if she does not have a job lined up she is not able to even go up for paraole.
How can she do this?
With Rehab there could be a better chance of survival.
Even Martha Stewart has seen the other side and has a heart.
I know many are maniupalators but they need help some rehab.
Instead of 8 years prison or jail time give them same amount of time in a rehab so they can be schooled and be a productive person when they get out.
If they are not trainable then the option of jail time.
I think the justice system is totally flawed.

Our justice system has flaws but it is not totally flawed. I believe the root of the problem lies within the flaws of our own human nature.

The courts show mercy. In Calif a legislation was passed that sends all first time drug offenders to rehab instead of State Prison.

One problem is the high cost that is asscociated with drug rehab programs being passed on to the tax payers.

It's a very complex problem. Like Martha Stewart, I've seen the other side and also have compassion for the people there.

 

[Evee]

Thank you repentandbelieve.
I know it would be very expensive but it in the long run it would be worth it.
I wonder why *speaking of flawed* why some people from same family has problems drugs drinking or other things and othere in family has not went same direction.
I suppose it is all about choices.
Yet no one should feel holier that thou to a family member like look at me and just look at yourself.

 

[repentandbelieve]

Thank you repentandbelieve.
I know it would be very expensive but it in the long run it would be worth it.
I wonder why *speaking of flawed* why some people from same family has problems drugs drinking or other things and othere in family has not went same direction.
I suppose it is all about choices.
Yet no one should feel holier that thou to a family member like look at me and just look at yourself.

Yes the cost drug rehab is high, but it's not as high as the cost of the damage drugs cause.

Your right. That "holier than thou" attitude is really an attitude of self rightousness. We're all sinners in need of a saviour.

 

[Evee]

Yes the cost drug rehab is high, but it's not as high as the cost of the damage drugs cause.

Your right. That "holier than thou" attitude is really an attitude of self rightousness. We're all sinners in need of a saviour.

Some truly do get saved in Jail or prison.
Something that may not have happened out in the world due to influence.

 

[alli_boo]

Certainly the nature, or severity, of the violation needs to be considered in determining the amount, or type, of punishment parole violators recieve.

When a person "paroles" from prison they are in a sense being released back into society early. Basically, they are on probation and restricted from certain types of activitys until the length of their parole exspires.

In my experience of working as a Prison Guard for 18 yrs I have known hundreds of parole violaters. Yes, in some cases, parole agents have been overzealous in arresting parolee's for violating the terms of their parole. But in my opinion these cases are rare.

In general, the punishment parole violators recieve is just. Typically, the punishment for parole violators is a 1 year sentance.

There is the matter the states liability and responsibilty of maintaining public safety. When convicted felons are released back into society before the length of their prison terms have expired the state may be found liable for the damages these parolees cause.

For example, a person is convicted of felony drunk driving and sentanced to 10 yrs in prison. After serving 5 yrs. of his 10 yr. sentance he is paroled back into society for the remaining 5 yrs of his sentance. The terms and conditions of his parole prohibit him not only from drinking and driving, but also from drinking alcohol period. This may seem harsh and unfair since drinking alcohol is considered legal for other people.

In order to protect itself from public liability the state must restrict this parolee from drinking alcohol period. It's a matter of liability.

I would have to say that I agree with you. If they are a big liability, then I personally believe they shouldnt be paroled in the first place. But when they are paroled, and they violate it, I dont think they should ever receive a chance again. If you keep giving chances to parolees, they will behave when they are locked up because they know that they can always get out again.

 

[alli_boo]

Some truly do get saved in Jail or prison.
Something that may not have happened out in the world due to influence.

Evee, I like your ideas. However, If the states barely have enough money to give us good schools, they have no money for rehab. I personally think that if it is a drug/alcohol related crime, then first time offendees should be sent to rehab instead of prison or Jail. It costs alot of money from the tax payers to support our prison systems. Therefore, if we could prevent a person from returning to the system, we should give all a first shot. If they break parole, I still think they should receive a second chance after jail time. However after a second chance, if they show no sign of improvement, I think they should serve their sentence without parole.

 

[repentandbelieve]

Some truly do get saved in Jail or prison.
Something that may not have happened out in the world due to influence.

That's very true. A lot of people in the public would be surprised if they only knew how many inmates have come to know and love Jesus.

And just about everyone of them would be the first to admit that if they had never been sent to prison they recognized thier need of a saviour and sought after the Lord.

 

[repentandbelieve]

I would have to say that I agree with you. If they are a big liability, then I personally believe they shouldnt be paroled in the first place. But when they are paroled, and they violate it, I dont think they should ever receive a chance again. If you keep giving chances to parolees, they will behave when they are locked up because they know that they can always get out again.

There are different degrees of infractions, rangeing from major to minor. Each case should be individually looked at and considered.

 

[repentandbelieve]

Evee, I like your ideas. However, If the states barely have enough money to give us good schools, they have no money for rehab. I personally think that if it is a drug/alcohol related crime, then first time offendees should be sent to rehab instead of prison or Jail. It costs alot of money from the tax payers to support our prison systems. Therefore, if we could prevent a person from returning to the system, we should give all a first shot. If they break parole, I still think they should receive a second chance after jail time. However after a second chance, if they show no sign of improvement, I think they should serve their sentence without parole.

That's pretty much the way it is in Calif. We have the "3 strikes and your out" law. After a person recieves their third felony conviction they are considered a habitual criminal and sentanced to life in prison.