moogoob said:
Are you a deist by any chance?
<br /> (sorry about the length of this)
To be perfectly honest, I recently sought which category or classification I fit into.
I have yet to find a religion or any large philosophical movement throughout history where I cannot fully understand the intent of the originator. But in each and every one, when I look into the remaining gathering, I don't see but a vague residue of the originators.
The classification of "Deist" I thought probably fit me best although even in that, what the gathering represents and what the definition implies are different.
When I come to understand each of the religions, I agree with each (including science). I see that most of their disagreements are merely a language to concept issue, making their debating a bit tiring to watch as they refuse to clear up the real definitions of their words before they begin.
I can easily and honestly say that Buddha was right, Moses was right, Jesus was very right, Mohammad was right, and many others. They simply were emphasizing something that was being left out by the followings from those before and using a different perspective so as to do so.
So in a sense, I am all and none.
I can not say that the proclamations of the formal Deist is exactly right in that the Deist refuses the possibility of some actual real things, but otherwise that label seems to fit fairly well.
I would prefer to fit into what is called Christian, but I see too much lack of understanding in them of their founder. If they would but do exactly as Jesus told them to do and as he himself did, the last 2000 years of conflict would not have ever happened. But even today, if they would come to truly understand him rather than merely attempt to faithfully follow things that they fail to understand, they would almost instantly repair the entire world of its wars and woes.
If I were to try to explain exactly what the Holy Spirit is, its components and exact make to the Christians, I suspect they would totally refuse to listen. But that is exactly why I'm here at this sight - just to see what state Christianity is really in and if they can ever come to really understand Jesus. So far, it isn't looking good.
But in either case, I can easily see that the world has no choice but to follow a well established pattern of growth that is totally governed by what they have been calling the "Holy Spirit".
It would all be much easier and faster if they better understood exactly how and why it works, but such people seldom listen for the same reason that a teenager doesn't listen to his parents. They get caught up in the blindness of their passions, insistent on their righteousness, and willing to bend any understanding to fit the hopes of their heart.
But this too is merely a component of that same Holy Spirit propelling itself forever through every possibility so as to ensure that absolutely nothing throughout the entire universe can prevent it from its course.
Once you come to understand its purpose, all else falls into place rather easily. But understanding that purpose requires seeing through the many clouds of confusion man is so intent on propelling. That means answering endless questions so as to clear the air and give the mind understanding.
But even that intent to cloud is just another part of that same Holy Spirit. It really all fits together. My only question is of the current state of things today and from that if there is any hope that man will listen before he gets himself in over his head once again and then must learn the hard way, once again.
The good news (if you had any reason to believe what I have to say) is that the prophets of old have been pretty much right and these are indeed those long awaited final days when the historical methods of man will be changed forever more.
I could tell you the exact sequence and participants with which it will be brought about and to what end except for identifying exactly where man is on the map today.
So far it appears that man is going to insist on going through another Pharaoh and Moses routine even thought he has gone to serious measures to prevent such.
I'm hoping to find that the Christians are willing to "repent" in a sense so they can step directly to the famed "second coming" and avoid some serious misery and death. The time is right for such. But we'll see just how blind they have chosen to be.
The good thing about the real Holy Spirit is that absolutely every possibility is forever closely examined and weighed. If man can learn more quickly, he will. If he can't, he won't but he will indeed learn regardless of anything he might attempt to do such as to avoid it.
The real Holy Spirit, when you learn of its very real components and make, shows that it absolutely cannot be stopped by literally anything throughout the entire universe.
Science will soon discover what they have been blinded to for so long and will soon testify with perfect clarity exactly what I'm talking about.
I would rather not wait for science to figure out what they overlooked. I would rather the Christians show it to them in a language that science can understand, but so far, the Christians are merely keeping science occupied with senseless argument and the passions for defense of themselves. Such merely keeps both sides blind. If left quietly alone, they could discover their oversights and we could all proceed to a MUCH better day.
So you tell me, where do I really fit... if at all?