Pangea in the Old Testament?

[klutedavid]

. View attachment 271338Here’s a small blue lace agate pebble. Its a sedimentary quartz. It’s not difficult to get a lot of layers it just means that they were laid down at different times and they have different chemical make ups .

I did one Geology subject in my first year at university. By far, the most interesting and surprising subject I have ever studied.

We looked at continental drift and plate tectonics. I knew nothing about Geology and plate tectonics explained so much about everything we see. Volcanoes, mountain ranges, earthquakes, e.t.c.

In my next life I'm coming back as a geologist.

Whether humanity is as old as science claims, I am not sure, but the earth is very ancient.

 

[QvQ]

this is basic middle school physics . Cold things contract . the earth’s surface is cold . The core is hot and because the surface is shrinking it cracks apart . That’s why earth has tectonic plates . Not for any other bizarre reason

NASA research indicates that the earth is neither contracting nor expanding, according to the latest articles I could find.

 

[Brightmoon]

NASA research indicates that the earth is neither contracting nor expanding, according to the latest articles I could find.

. There was an old discarded theory called the expanding earth . The expansion (and contraction )I’m talking about isn’t that extreme.

this lava has cooled and solidified and the pressure of the molten lava behind it has made it crack . Something similar happens with the earths crust

 

[QvQ]

. There was an old discarded theory called the expanding earth . The expansion (and contraction )I’m talking about isn’t that extreme. View attachment 271348this lava has cooled and solidified and the pressure of the molten lava behind it has made it crack . Something similar happens with the earths crust

That is what I meant by Fudge. When the continental drift is not due to expansion/contraction then it is drifting on lava ocean, volcanoes or even Norway uplift due to melting of glaciers (Norway is going to be the new Himalayas in 5 years Global Warming!Quote Gore and Moore) This is not science it is speculation. BTW newest research indicates all humans have neanderthal DNA, so multi regional goes down once more. Seriously what I see is "As it is was and shall be, world without end, Amen. Always humans with DNA similar to every other species in one way or another on a planet the size of earth.

 

[Brightmoon]

Glacial rebound can be measured btw . It’s slow so what Gore and Moore , who aren’t geologists have to say about it isn’t really relevant . New York and environs are still rebounding from the last ice age .

Some Laymen do have bizarre ideas about science. Maybe checking a mainstream high school geology text out of the library will clear up some misconceptions for you .
Continental drift happens because the plates move around on the semiliquid mantle . they bump into each other , slide underneath or veer off . That causes earthquakes and tsunamis . Volcanos are caused by either holes in thin areas of the crust ( hot spots like Hawaii) or theyre at the edges of the plates where the cracks are (Japan is right on the edge of a crack ) . If the plates push into each other long enough that causes mountains . That’s where the Himalayas came from , India pushing into the rest of Asia for millions of years.

 

[Brightmoon]

The multiregional theory is part of the Out of Africa one . They’re not conflicting theories any more . I’m not sure if I made that clear .

 

[Brightmoon]

This is from Wikipedia. The can see the direction the plates are moving with those little red arrows. You can find Haiti, Indonesia California and Japan on the map and see where the plates are . Then you’ll understand why they get bad earthquakes

 

[miamited]

Hi brightmoon,

Thanks for your response:

they just got the timeline wrong

Yes, that's what I said, sometimes science is wrong. We could go through a couple hundred of their errors if you aren't understanding. Remember when 'science' said that people could be cleansed of diseases by having their blood sucked out using leeches? Here's a few for your enjoyment:

Rewriting the textbooks: When science gets it wrong

https://psmag.com/education/scientists-are-wrong-a-lot

Things Science Got Wrong (That You Were Even Taught In School)

So today, we believe the latest information that science has to offer, but there's no guarantee that today's scientific facts won't be tomorrow's "Things we got wrong". Especially, again, predictive analysis and long past historical analysis. Science is pretty good with the here and now.

Look, you're free to put your trust where you feel your trust is best placed. Mine's in the word of God. It's really just that plain and simple. As I've offered, just tell me how a sea parted and held a wall of water standing on the left and right side of the chasm that was at least a few dozen feet tall. That's my challenge to you or anyone who wants me to believe that they know how God was able to do the things that He claims to have done.

You want me to believe that you know, or science knows, how God created the universe and all that is in it? Just explain to me one of the more simple things that God has done. How was it accomplished?

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[klutedavid]

View attachment 271353

This is from Wikipedia. The can see the direction the plates are moving with those little red arrows. You can find Haiti, Indonesia California and Japan on the map and see where the plates are . Then you’ll understand why they get bad earthquakes

This is a better way to see the plates.

The red dots are earthquakes and they mostly only occur at the plate boundaries.

 

[Brightmoon]

Hi brightmoon,

Thanks for your response:


Yes, that's what I said, sometimes science is wrong. We could go through a couple hundred of their errors if you aren't understanding. Remember when 'science' said that people could be cleansed of diseases by having their blood sucked out using leeches? Here's a few for your enjoyment:

Rewriting the textbooks: When science gets it wrong

https://psmag.com/education/scientists-are-wrong-a-lot

Things Science Got Wrong (That You Were Even Taught In School)

So today, we believe the latest information that science has to offer, but there's no guarantee that today's scientific facts won't be tomorrow's "Things we got wrong". Especially, again, predictive analysis and long past historical analysis. Science is pretty good with the here and now.

Look, you're free to put your trust where you feel your trust is best placed. Mine's in the word of God. It's really just that plain and simple. As I've offered, just tell me how a sea parted and held a wall of water standing on the left and right side of the chasm that was at least a few dozen feet tall. That's my challenge to you or anyone who wants me to believe that they know how God was able to do the things that He claims to have done.

You want me to believe that you know how God created the universe and all that is in it, just explain to me one of the more simple things that God has done. How was it accomplished?

God bless,
In Christ, ted

oh heck I was told that the earth was 3 billion years old by a 7th grade chemistry teacher who mistook the oldest rock then found for the 4.5 billion years old age of the earth ( they’ve since found much older rocks) . He wasn’t a geologist or he wouldn’t have made that mistake . Of course, scientists make mistakes BUT they eventually get corrected.

I quickly figured out that the earth was old but my CheM teacher didn’t know how old

 

[Brightmoon]

Hi brightmoon,

Thanks for your response:


Yes, that's what I said, sometimes science is wrong. We could go through a couple hundred of their errors if you aren't understanding. Remember when 'science' said that people could be cleansed of diseases by having their blood sucked out using leeches? Here's a few for your enjoyment:

Rewriting the textbooks: When science gets it wrong

https://psmag.com/education/scientists-are-wrong-a-lot

Things Science Got Wrong (That You Were Even Taught In School)

So today, we believe the latest information that science has to offer, but there's no guarantee that today's scientific facts won't be tomorrow's "Things we got wrong". Especially, again, predictive analysis and long past historical analysis. Science is pretty good with the here and now.

Look, you're free to put your trust where you feel your trust is best placed. Mine's in the word of God. It's really just that plain and simple. As I've offered, just tell me how a sea parted and held a wall of water standing on the left and right side of the chasm that was at least a few dozen feet tall. That's my challenge to you or anyone who wants me to believe that they know how God was able to do the things that He claims to have done.

You want me to believe that you know, or science knows, how God created the universe and all that is in it? Just explain to me one of the more simple things that God has done. How was it accomplished?

God bless,
In Christ, ted

. You know that a tsunami can make the sea retreat past the horizon. That part of the world is earthquake prone .

 

[klutedavid]

Hi brightmoon,

Thanks for your response:


Yes, that's what I said, sometimes science is wrong. We could go through a couple hundred of their errors if you aren't understanding. Remember when 'science' said that people could be cleansed of diseases by having their blood sucked out using leeches? Here's a few for your enjoyment:

Rewriting the textbooks: When science gets it wrong

https://psmag.com/education/scientists-are-wrong-a-lot

Things Science Got Wrong (That You Were Even Taught In School)

So today, we believe the latest information that science has to offer, but there's no guarantee that today's scientific facts won't be tomorrow's "Things we got wrong". Especially, again, predictive analysis and long past historical analysis. Science is pretty good with the here and now.

Look, you're free to put your trust where you feel your trust is best placed. Mine's in the word of God. It's really just that plain and simple. As I've offered, just tell me how a sea parted and held a wall of water standing on the left and right side of the chasm that was at least a few dozen feet tall. That's my challenge to you or anyone who wants me to believe that they know how God was able to do the things that He claims to have done.

You want me to believe that you know, or science knows, how God created the universe and all that is in it? Just explain to me one of the more simple things that God has done. How was it accomplished?

God bless,
In Christ, ted

Go easy on the leeches.

Leeches have been used in medicine for over 2,500 years. ... As recently as the 19th century, leeches were used to treat everything from tonsillitis to hemorrhoids. You can imagine what both of those treatments involved. Today, their use is more limited, but in some circumstances, they're still the best option.

 

[Brightmoon]

Go easy on the leeches.

Leeches have been used in medicine for over 2,500 years. ... As recently as the 19th century, leeches were used to treat everything from tonsillitis to hemorrhoids. You can imagine what both of those treatments involved. Today, their use is more limited, but in some circumstances, they're still the best option.

they use leeches to drain clotted blood from small blood vessels if they have to reattach a limb or digit . It helps the limb by having a better blood supply

 

[miamited]

oh heck I was told that the earth was 3 billion years old by a 7th grade chemistry teacher who mistook the oldest rock then found for the 4.5 billion years old age of the earth ( they’ve since found much older rocks) . He wasn’t a geologist or he wouldn’t have made that mistake . Of course, scientists make mistakes BUT they eventually get corrected.

I quickly figured out that the earth was old but my CheM teacher didn’t know how old

Hi brightmoon,

As I said in my previous post. You're welcome to place your trust wherever you'd like. As far as mistakes getting corrected...how would you know? We just believe whatever the latest position is until a new one is found. All the people between the old information and the new, don't have any idea that there will ever be any correction coming.

We all believed that the glaciers would be gone by 2020 until they weren't. We all believed that sea level was going to rise 10 feet by 2100 until someone came along and said that it would be more like 7 feet and then someone else came along and said that it would be more like 4 feet, etc, etc, until we got down to, it might be 26 inches to 3.5 feet.

In 2019, a study projected that in low emission scenario, sea level will rise 30 centimeters by 2050 and 69 centimetres by 2100, relatively to the level in 2000. In high emission scenario, it will be 34 cm by 2050 and 111 cm by 2100.

You see, we have no way of knowing that our science is wrong, especially in predictive science, until the time of the prediction has passed. Then we can look at the real evidence in real time and say whether it was right or not. Until then it's all a guess and, as this rising sea level alarm has shown, subject to being constantly updated. So far all of the updates have downgraded the measure of sea level rise.

Like I say again, you put your trust in whoever you think is the most trustworthy.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[Brightmoon]

Hi brightmoon,

As I said in my previous post. You're welcome to place your trust wherever you'd like. As far as mistakes getting corrected...how would you know? We just believe whatever the latest position is until a new one is found. All the people between the old information and the new, don't have any idea that there will ever be any correction coming.

We all believed that the glaciers would be gone by 2020 until they weren't. We all believed that sea level was going to rise 10 feet by 2100 until someone came along and said that it would be more like 7 feet and then someone else came along and said that it would be more like 4 feet, etc, etc, until we got down to, it might be 26 inches to 3.5 feet.

In 2019, a study projected that in low emission scenario, sea level will rise 30 centimeters by 2050 and 69 centimetres by 2100, relatively to the level in 2000. In high emission scenario, it will be 34 cm by 2050 and 111 cm by 2100.

You see, we have no way of knowing that our science is wrong, especially in predictive science, until the time of the prediction has passed. Then we can look at the real evidence in real time and say whether it was right or not. Until then it's all a guess and, as this rising sea level alarm has shown, subject to being constantly updated. So far all of the updates have downgraded the measure of sea level rise.

Like I say again, you put your trust in whoever you think is the most trustworthy.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

. Climate scientists can predict longer term changes but as to whether it’s this year or next year or precisely February 9 2307 they really can’t do because climate is a somewhat chaotic system . The glaciers ARE going to melt and in fact these melts have been speeding up . Which is scary as this, more than the thermal expansion which has been responsible for past sea level rise, is now going to come in to play . I’ve never been a global warming denier because I’ve got that biology degree and the reports of how this is affecting living organisms worldwide, are frightening

 

[Job 33:6]

Young earthers tend to willfully forget about supercontinents that predate pangea, such as rodinia.

The truth is that these supercontinents existed tens and hundreds and perhaps even thousands of millions of years before mankind came to be.

 

[Job 33:6]

Yeah im gunna go with the divinely inspired saints rather than the ever-changing scientists. Just like scripture, science is interpreted.

Scientists have been consistent with our understanding of an old earth for over 300 years. And to be fair, religious figures have been divided over interpretations of scripture, consistently, since the dawn of time and even to this day churches are largely divided on concepts of evolution and the age of the earth.

 

[Brightmoon]

Can you cite a "confirmed fact" of science, which is not a measurement, or data?

. Humans are great apes .

 

[Brightmoon]

Hi brightmoon,

As I said in my previous post. You're welcome to place your trust wherever you'd like. As far as mistakes getting corrected...how would you know? We just believe whatever the latest position is until a new one is found. All the people between the old information and the new, don't have any idea that there will ever be any correction coming.

We all believed that the glaciers would be gone by 2020 until they weren't. We all believed that sea level was going to rise 10 feet by 2100 until someone came along and said that it would be more like 7 feet and then someone else came along and said that it would be more like 4 feet, etc, etc, until we got down to, it might be 26 inches to 3.5 feet.

In 2019, a study projected that in low emission scenario, sea level will rise 30 centimeters by 2050 and 69 centimetres by 2100, relatively to the level in 2000. In high emission scenario, it will be 34 cm by 2050 and 111 cm by 2100.

You see, we have no way of knowing that our science is wrong, especially in predictive science, until the time of the prediction has passed. Then we can look at the real evidence in real time and say whether it was right or not. Until then it's all a guess and, as this rising sea level alarm has shown, subject to being constantly updated. So far all of the updates have downgraded the measure of sea level rise.

Like I say again, you put your trust in whoever you think is the most trustworthy.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

the prediction that’s been confirmed is that sea levels will rise. The amount of that rise and how fast IS in dispute. Sometimes it’s small details that scientists quibble over that scientifically illiterates mistakenly take as proof that scientists don’t understand their own field . Laymen sometimes just have to get the big picture because they don’t have enough background knowledge to understand the details or why scientists argue over them .

isn’t there a nice bible verse about straining at gnats and swallowing camels

 

[klutedavid]

Hi brightmoon,

As I said in my previous post. You're welcome to place your trust wherever you'd like. As far as mistakes getting corrected...how would you know? We just believe whatever the latest position is until a new one is found. All the people between the old information and the new, don't have any idea that there will ever be any correction coming.

We all believed that the glaciers would be gone by 2020 until they weren't. We all believed that sea level was going to rise 10 feet by 2100 until someone came along and said that it would be more like 7 feet and then someone else came along and said that it would be more like 4 feet, etc, etc, until we got down to, it might be 26 inches to 3.5 feet.

In 2019, a study projected that in low emission scenario, sea level will rise 30 centimeters by 2050 and 69 centimetres by 2100, relatively to the level in 2000. In high emission scenario, it will be 34 cm by 2050 and 111 cm by 2100.

You see, we have no way of knowing that our science is wrong, especially in predictive science, until the time of the prediction has passed. Then we can look at the real evidence in real time and say whether it was right or not. Until then it's all a guess and, as this rising sea level alarm has shown, subject to being constantly updated. So far all of the updates have downgraded the measure of sea level rise.

Like I say again, you put your trust in whoever you think is the most trustworthy.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

The problem with any accurate prediction of sea level rise at some time in the future. Is not really a problem with the scientific modelling used to predict sea level rise. The climate models are straight forward and very accurate.

The real issue involves how much CO2 will be generated by the world during the time duration that the climate prediction covers. If CO2 emissions increase more than was anticipated in the earlier climate models, then sea level rise will be greater in the future.

Even early climate models (1970-2000) are accurate enough when the correct levels of CO2 are input into these early climate models.

As each year passes the accuracy in predictions from these climate models increases.