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theAtlantic said:Now, an international team of virologists, genomicists, and evolutionary biologists may have finally found crucial data to help fill that knowledge gap. A new analysis of genetic sequences collected from the market shows that raccoon dogs being illegally sold at the venue could have been carrying and possibly shedding the virus at the end of 2019. It’s some of the strongest support yet, experts told me, that the pandemic began when SARS-CoV-2 hopped from animals into humans, rather than in an accident among scientists experimenting with viruses.
No, it isn't.Ummm. The lab is called the Wuhan Corona Virus Lab.
The reason why Wuhan has a lab that investigates Corona Virus is that the area is known for having Corona virus.Ummm. The lab is called the Wuhan Corona Virus Lab. They worked on the Corona virus. The virus started in Wuhan. But for some reason liberals can't seem to put two and two together. The corona virus in Wuhan didn't care me from the corona virus lab in Wuhan, it came from some random animal that came from somewhere else.. Yea I'm sure some random animal from who knows.where outside it Wuhan contracted the virus and brought it to Wuhan which then infected the whole world. How crazy of us to believe that one, the Wuhan Corona Virus Lab in Wuhan was the source of the Wuhan corona virus that started in Wuhan.
And we totally trust the Chinese to be completely honest and forthcoming about everything.
And since we know that the gain of function research was going on in the lab there are further suspicions based upon how this virus acted. The odds are in favor that this came from the lab. I'm so far more likely that it did than it did not. I don't know that we will ever get a definitive answer. You cannot trust the Chinese. We've already been lied to by others. That's why they won't come out and really say. No one will. Because the moment they do there will be demand in accountability.The reason why Wuhan has a lab that investigates Corona Virus is that the area is known for having Corona virus.
We should not have laymen running around the internet claiming to know the origins. This is something that is currently unknown but has been investigated. Neither the wet market nor the lab have been ruled out.
Oh please, it's the Wuhan lab that is the premier researcher in corona viruses. It's the Wuhan Corona virus lab. We all know it and we all know the virus is the Wuhan Corona virus. Which just happened to start in the same area where the Wuhan corona virus lab is located. It's called simple deduction. What virus does it study again? Oh yeah, the CORONA virus.
No, it is "a" premier research center for the study of coronaviruses.[6]Oh please, it's the Wuhan lab that is the premier researcher in corona viruses.
We just don't know to be making the assumptions you make. And yes, historically a whole lot of viruses started from animals: Ebola; HIV; Black Plague: Bubonic Plague; SARS; MERS; Bovine tuberculosis. Wasn't the market they swabbed pretty much right after it happened also in Wuhan?Ummm. The lab is called the Wuhan Corona Virus Lab. They worked on the Corona virus. The virus started in Wuhan. But for some reason liberals can't seem to put two and two together. The corona virus in Wuhan didn't care me from the corona virus lab in Wuhan, it came from some random animal that came from somewhere else.. Yea I'm sure some random animal from who knows.where outside it Wuhan contracted the virus and brought it to Wuhan which then infected the whole world. How crazy of us to believe that one, the Wuhan Corona Virus Lab in Wuhan was the source of the Wuhan corona virus that started in Wuhan.
And we totally trust the Chinese to be completely honest and forthcoming about everything.
Says who?And since we know that the gain of function research was going on in the lab there are further suspicions based upon how this virus acted. The odds are in favor that this came from the lab.
I'm sure whatever is supplied won't be adequate to you deniers. But here goes anyway.Says who?
Trump?
Fox News Opinion Hosts?
Breightbart
Other far right propogandists?
Jim Jordon (Republican MAGA)?
We just don't know to be making the assumptions you make. And yes, historically a whole lot of viruses started from animals: Ebola; HIV; Black Plague: Bubonic Plague; SARS; MERS; Bovine tuberculosis. Wasn't the market they swabbed pretty much right after it happened also in Wuhan?
The question was about this claim regarding evidence of it being a leak from the lab.I'm sure whatever is supplied won't be adequate to you deniers. But here goes anyway.
NIH Documents Provide New Evidence U.S. Funded Gain-of-Function Research in Wuhan
The National Institutes of Health-funded experiment in Wuhan, China, posed biosafety risks but did not cause the Covid-19 pandemic, scientists say.theintercept.com
In Major Shift, NIH Admits Funding Risky Virus Research in Wuhan
A spokesman for Dr. Fauci says he has been “entirely truthful,” but a new letter belatedly acknowledging the National Institutes of Health’s support for virus-enhancing research adds more heat to the ongoing debate over whether a lab leak could have sparked the pandemic.www.vanityfair.com
NIH Admits to Funding Gain-of-Function Research in Wuhan, Says EcoHealth Violated Reporting Requirements
A top NIH official admitted that U.S. taxpayers funded gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses in Wuhan.news.yahoo.com
So?So? Corona viruses existed before and that's why this lab was set up. THIS virus caused a pandemic very quickly including it's mutations. The odds are much greater that the WUHAN virus starting in Wuhan came from the WUHAN CORONA VIRUS LAB.
You actually think they are going to admit it? Yes of course the Chinese have always been very honest. Always.
Given what he is saying when he is explaining his determination of the source. It is painfully obvious to all, he does not have sufficient information and is making a pick out of personal preference rather than evidentiary based. End of story.So?
Let me understand this.
The historical origins of most viruses should have no consideration in determining this one?
Given the recent report where traces of this virus was found in market should have no consideration?
Where are you getting this odds to make absolute claims? Exactly how wet do you get your finger before you stick it in the wind.
Again, it may have come from the lab, we don't know. You don't know.
So?
Let me understand this.
The historical origins of most viruses should have no consideration in determining this one?
Given the recent report where traces of this virus was found in market should have no consideration?
Again, it may have come from the lab, we don't know. You don't know.
So basically were still at, "we don't know".The failed response to SARS-CoV2 didn't take into consideration the response to historical viruses and discarded all pre-established pandemic preparedness plans. Why should the origin be any different?
You do know the market is literally across the river from the lab, right?
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That's true. But the lengths that Fauci and Collins went to in order to suppress discussion of the possibility of a lab origin and classify any such discussion as "conspiracy theory" is highly suspicious.
Treason of the Science Journals
How Anthony Fauci manufactured consensus on the origins of COVID-19 with the help of science writers and the mediawww.tabletmag.com
Surely I hope they aren't making absolute claims without absolute evidence solely for the sake of all people, Donald "I just make it up" Trump.And we are still at the point of loyal Trump supporters claiming to know, despite any supporting evidence.
Claiming that it WAS a lab leak, because that's what Trump claimed despite any supporting evidence.
I just presume, they know Trump looks really bad with his Covid response, so they are frantic and desperate to pin all the unnecessary USA deaths on Faucci. The rest of us have no horse in this race, so we are content to admit that the origins are unknown.Surely I hope they aren't making absolute claims without absolute evidence solely for the sake of all people, Donald "I just make it up" Trump.
So basically were still at, "we don't know".
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