Pandemic started in a lab:

[DaisyDay]

You guys are debating the wrong topic, and by design.

Germ Theory Versus Terrain: The Wrong Side Won the Day

An analysis of Louis Pasteur versus Antoine Béchamp's theories.

www.westonaprice.org

Wow, that is a fount of misinformation!

 

[Simonides]

Wow, that is a fount of misinformation!

Its actually a verifiable account of historical events. Which I highly doubt you even bothered to read. But hey, its all good. I hear they've got new mRNA vaccines for just about everything now.
And you can even get a free donut down at the Krispy Kreme for showing your Phizer bingo card.

 

[rambot]

Its actually a verifiable account of historical events. Which I highly doubt you even bothered to read. But hey, its all good. I hear they've got new mRNA vaccines for just about everything now.
And you can even get a free donut down at the Krispy Kreme for showing your Phizer bingo card.

I like how you think that in the last almost 200 years, Pasteur has been the ONLY person to prove his theory and NOBODY else has EVER confirmed it.

I find it FASCINATING that a Christian would EVER EVER support Beauchamp's work; at least any christian who had a disdain for evolution.

MANY of the folks deride "Big Pharma" and are big into naturopathy end up supporting Big Vitamin. Their industry is just as, if not more "all about the cash" than big Pharma. And they would have every right to feel more anxious about it since the science supporting their

The argument to favour Beachamp, is interesting. And one could certainly argue that there are a LOT of unhealthy toxins (or at least questionable chemicals) in our food supply is certainly contributing to some unhealthy outcomes. But Beauchamp's idea is that the bacteria are already in your body and make phenotypic changes to themselves to create sickness in your body. Sadly, only about 3-5 bacteria studied over the last 200 years exhibit anything even CLOSE to that (though its not true pleomorphism because they are actually changing in the NEXT generation).

NONE of that disproves Pasteur and his work. Sorry. IT just does not. Any scientists that throws away the Germ theory in favour of something else, has a LOT of explaining to do. I could see both of these theories working together, maybe even in overlap.

The greatest gains in human survive occurred with cleanliness and hygiene. If Pasteur's work was bunk, that would simply be possible.

 

[Simonides]

I like how you think that in the last almost 200 years, Pasteur has been the ONLY person to prove his theory and NOBODY else has EVER confirmed it.

I find it FASCINATING that a Christian would EVER EVER support Beauchamp's work; at least any christian who had a disdain for evolution.

MANY of the folks deride "Big Pharma" and are big into naturopathy end up supporting Big Vitamin. Their industry is just as, if not more "all about the cash" than big Pharma. And they would have every right to feel more anxious about it since the science supporting their

The argument to favour Beachamp, is interesting. And one could certainly argue that there are a LOT of unhealthy toxins (or at least questionable chemicals) in our food supply is certainly contributing to some unhealthy outcomes. But Beauchamp's idea is that the bacteria are already in your body and make phenotypic changes to themselves to create sickness in your body. Sadly, only about 3-5 bacteria studied over the last 200 years exhibit anything even CLOSE to that (though its not true pleomorphism because they are actually changing in the NEXT generation).

NONE of that disproves Pasteur and his work. Sorry. IT just does not. Any scientists that throws away the Germ theory in favour of something else, has a LOT of explaining to do. I could see both of these theories working together, maybe even in overlap.

The greatest gains in human survive occurred with cleanliness and hygiene. If Pasteur's work was bunk, that would simply be possible.

First off, thank you for your response. While you made your point, I did not feel that you were condescending or too harsh in you criticism.
I'm not a physician, nor do I have any medical training whatsoever outside of basic lifeguard stuff.
I am however intelligent enough to do research into topics that interest me.
At the beginning of the Covid scare I took a leave of absence from my job as it requires extensive travel and I deal with a lot of people. I thought it may very well be an issue of concern. I spent the next three weeks reading everything I could get my hands on related to viruses, vaccines, bio engineering etc etc. Up to this point in my life I was like most everyone else, and had never questioned germ theory.

However, being a Christian, I also never took any preventative measures when dealing with family or friends who were sick, but rather trusted God that I would be fine, and I always have been. I've been to the doctor exactly twice in twenty years, once for a complete and total misdiagnosis of what turned out to be a hernia which I decided not to treat, and kidney stones, for which the treatment I received only prolonged my suffering. The kidney stones I treated successfully with apple cider vinegar, lemon juice, olive oil and cayenne.

Back to the topic at hand. At the end of my hiatus, I had reached the conclusion that germ theory was a false paradigm. I returned to work, never wore a mask, never took any additional precautions, and never fell ill outside of a nasty little sinus infection which eventually passed on its own. Meanwhile, nearly everyone I knew got ill, some of them repeatedly. Those in my circle who underwent regular testing, or worse, chose the shot, have been consistently ill for most of the last four plus years. Fortunately, as of yet none of my family have expired.

Terrain is the theory that works for me, as it matches up most closely to my real world experience.
Your mileage may vary.

So when it comes to Beauchamp and his greater body of work, I defer to your superior knowledge. My interest in studying the history of these two men was mainly confined to the subject of viruses, and the history of Alopathy in western medicine.

While I had the desire to dig deeper, life is short and time is my most valuable commodity. I gained the knowledge I was searching for and moved on to other topics.

My understanding of terrain theory is admittedly rudimentary at best. I try to eat right, sweat frequently, and avoid as many toxins as reasonably possible. But more than anything, I don't hold grudges, wake up in a good mood every morning and try my best to make the world a better place than I found it. I absolutely refuse to live in fear. And of course, trust God for all my needs. And so far, I have been blessed with good health. And btw, I don't take supplements. Whatever naturally pleasant names they may be marketed under, most vitamin companies are owned by the same companies that make their living poisoning the masses. We are in agreement on that much.
So thanks again for your comment.
And I wish you all the best in Christ Jesus, good health, good friends, and a long happy life.

Shalom

 

[Diamond72]

Those in my circle who underwent regular testing, or worse, chose the shot, have been consistently ill for most of the last four plus years.

This happened to my wife. She has always been healthy and never sick. She had to get the vaccine or lose her job. Then she started having trouble. Now I am praying against the vaccine and it is getting better for her. My father was a medical doctor and my mother was a bacterologist. I have done a lot of research so I know a lot but I am not going to say to much right now for lack of time. The problem began when Fancis collins removed the ban on high risk research. We even paid for the research at wuhan. It looks a lot like payola in Collins pocket. They say he retired but I think the Biden adminstration fired him.

The research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) has been a subject of significant scrutiny and controversy, especially regarding the origins of COVID-19. Here are some key points:

Research Activities:​

• Gain-of-Function Research: The WIV has conducted research on coronaviruses, including gain-of-function studies, which involve making viruses more transmissible or virulent to study their potential effects.
• Collaborations: The institute has collaborated with international labs, including those in the United States, France, and Canada.

Controversies:​

• Lab Leak Theory: There is a theory that COVID-19 may have accidentally leaked from the WIV. This theory suggests that researchers at the institute could have been exposed to the virus before it was officially identified.

Investigations:​

• Congressional Report: A recent congressional report concluded that COVID-19 most likely originated from a lab in Wuhan, citing evidence of researchers falling ill with COVID-like symptoms in the fall of 2019.
• Ongoing Scrutiny: The World Health Organization (WHO) and other international bodies continue to investigate the origins of the virus, emphasizing the need for transparency and cooperation from all involved parties.

The implications of these findings are significant, as they could influence global health policies, research practices, and international relations.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Wuhan Virologist Says Lab Has No Close Relatives to COVID Virus​

Shi Zhengli, the virologist at the center of COVID lab-leak theory, reveals coronavirus sequences from the Wuhan institute

After years of rumours that the virus that causes COVID-19 escaped from a laboratory in China, the virologist at the centre of the claims has presented data on dozens of new coronaviruses collected from bats in southern China. At a conference in Japan this week, Shi Zhengli, a specialist on bat coronaviruses, reported that none of the viruses stored in her freezers are the most recent ancestors of the virus SARS-CoV-2.

Shi [had] promised to sequence the genomes of the coronaviruses and release the data.

The latest analysis, which has not been peer reviewed, includes data from the whole genomes of 56 new betacoronaviruses, the broad group to which SARS-CoV-2 belongs, as well as some partial sequences. All the viruses were collected between 2004 and 2021.

“We didn’t find any new sequences which are more closely related to SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2,” said Shi, in a pre-recorded presentation at the conference, Preparing for the Next Pandemic: Evolution, Pathogenesis and Virology of Coronaviruses, in Awaji, Japan, on 4 December.

The closest known viruses to SARS-CoV-2 were found in bats in Laos and Yunnan, southern China — but years, if not decades, have passed since they split from their common ancestor with the virus that causes COVID-19. “She’s basically found a lot of what we expect,” says Leo Poon, a virologist at the University of Hong Kong.

 

[Diamond72]

Shi Zhengli, the virologist at the center of COVID lab-leak theory, reveals coronavirus sequences from the Wuhan institute

That article is a scam and a cover up. She disappeared 4 years ago. They may have assassinated her but if not they are doing a very good job of hiding her. There is a chance she is just under cover and working in France. It is difficult to believe that anyone could keep anything like that a secret. Esp people who's bread and butter is to be published.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Since this is the American Politics tab and not Science... we have our political answer:

whitehouse.gov