palm reading

[Allister]

My brother is worried because one of his friends who is interested in palm reading and new age spiritual stuff read his palms and his life line on one hand is really short. they she looked at his other hand and his other life line is really short too. he is now panicing. I have tried to convinvce him that palm reading is not real.

can any one give their experiecnes and understandings of the palm and point me to any webpages or sites debunking palm reading with real science. I have looked myself but cannot find anything good enough.

thanks.

 

[Snowbunny]

aww im sorry is he really young?

i dont think there are any websites debunking palm readings with science... like there is no need to... its just nonsense and its totally based on getting money now for something you say about the future waay out like 20 years later that you can never prove until it doesnt happen... lol and i dont think you get a refund then...

pillow case readings and conversations with frogs are just as accurate... so maybe that is what you should do like tell him that you want a second opinion and then get a friend to look at his palms and tell him that the other one misread his palm and like point to the Simian crease and tell him that is his actual life line and its really long...

then when he is older just tell him its all nonsense...

 

[Allister]

aww im sorry is he really young?

i dont think there are any websites debunking palm readings with science... like there is no need to... its just nonsense and its totally based on getting money now for something you say about the future waay out like 20 years later that you can never prove until it doesnt happen... lol and i dont think you get a refund then...

pillow case readings and conversations with frogs are just as accurate... so maybe that is what you should do like tell him that you want a second opinion and then get a friend to look at his palms and tell him that the other one misread his palm and like point to the Simian crease and tell him that is his actual life line and its really long...

then when he is older just tell him its all nonsense...

No, he is actually 25 and pretty intelligent, after all he doesn't believe in an old man in the sky who created the universe in seven days.

anyway he is informed about Digit ratio

http://human-nature.com/nibbs/02/manning.html

he concludes a link between foetal exposure to testosterone to difference in palm line lenghts.

do you have any insight on this?

 

[Snowbunny]

...ive never heard of this before... i wonder if there are any other peer reviews

 

[RealSorceror]

My brother is worried because one of his friends who is interested in palm reading and new age spiritual stuff read his palms and his life line on one hand is really short. they she looked at his other hand and his other life line is really short too. he is now panicing. I have tried to convinvce him that palm reading is not real.

For starters, the lines and wrinkles on a person's hand are completly random and unique, just like a person's fingerprint, or the shape of your ear. Its a natural part of your body that you are born with. Does your brother believe in fate, destiny, or predestination? I don't, and I find it silly to believe that when I was born I was destined to die at a certian age.
Secondly, reading a book about hands and tarot cards doesn't make someone a psychic capable of seeing the future. Yes, I believe in psychics and empaths, but from what I have seen they are very rare and rely on innate abilities rather than silly things like oujia boards and finger length. Also, real world psychics only seem capable of seeing the past and present. Physics can only see past memories and current feelings.

can any one give their experiecnes and understandings of the palm and point me to any webpages or sites debunking palm reading with real science. I have looked myself but cannot find anything good enough.

Scientific evidence? This is a purely superstitious matter. If a survey where conducted where "life-line" length was compared to actual life-span, I would expect to see no correlation whatsoever. I would expect to see examples where people with long life lines died early.

 

[Skillganon]

No, he is actually 25 and pretty intelligent, after all he doesn't believe in an old man in the sky who created the universe in seven days.

anyway he is informed about Digit ratio

http://human-nature.com/nibbs/02/manning.html

he concludes a link between foetal exposure to testosterone to difference in palm line lenghts.

do you have any insight on this?

For a lad who does not believe in the old man in the sky (actually neither do I believe their is an old man in the sky) he has a funny thing of believing in such concept, their is no relation between palm line length and foetus.
If he is truly as intelligent as you say, he is probably playing a joke on you.

 

[RealSorceror]

For a lad who does not believe in the old man in the sky (actually neither do I believe their is an old man in the sky) he has a funny thing of believing in such concept, their is no relation between palm line length and foetus.
If he is truly as intelligent as you say, he is probably playing a joke on you.

Yes, I also find it hard to believe that he could be an intelligent athiest yet believe in this superstitious nonsense.

 

[Gardenia]

No, he is actually 25 and pretty intelligent, after all he doesn't believe in an old man in the sky who created the universe in seven days.

He's smart because he doesn't believe in God, but he takes a palm reading so seriously that he is panicking? Makes sense to me.


Seems to me, he shouldn't worry that he's going to die because he has a short line on his palm. I don't think he needs science to tell him otherwise, just a little logic, which I'm sure he has plenty of.

 

[Druweid]

My brother is worried because one of his friends who is interested in palm reading and new age spiritual stuff read his palms and his life line on one hand is really short. they she looked at his other hand and his other life line is really short too. he is now panicing. I have tried to convinvce him that palm reading is not real.

can any one give their experiences and understandings of the palm and point me to any webpages or sites debunking palm reading with real science. I have looked myself but cannot find anything good enough.

thanks.

First, like a great many other things involved with New Age, chiromancy (palm reading) is considered a pseudoscience. Nothing really proves it, nor disproves it.

Second, you're asking to prove that palmistry doesn't work. It's a logical impossibility to prove a negative. Like, the newspaper on the arm of your couch: Prove to someone else that you *didn't* read it.

In any case, for what it's worth, a short, weak, or even non-existant life line does not necesarily represent a short phyisical life. It could just as easily represent a person who, early in life, started to become high-strung, sickly, lethargic, or even just plain lazy. But again, these are just random meanings pulled from a book, and has little or nothing to do with your brother.

Hope this helps,
-- Druweid

 

[Allister]

If he is truly as intelligent as you say, he is probably playing a joke on you

.

All i said was he's pretty intelligent. he has no higher education but he is not stupid. He doesn't believe in God or christianity but i think he has watched Star Wars one too many times. and no he is not playing a joke on me.

Yes, I also find it hard to believe that he could be an intelligent athiest yet believe in this superstitious nonsense.

Who ever said he was an atheist?

For starters, the lines and wrinkles on a person's hand are completly random and unique, just like a person's fingerprint, or the shape of your ear. Its a natural part of your body that you are born with

I agree. But i imagine that is what they assumed about finger length... random. its hard to convince someone who has an idea in their head.

Does your brother believe in fate, destiny, or predestination?

possibly. when we talk about such issues he manages to avoid answers but i would say he would like to believe in fate although deep down i think it knows it is a fantastical idea.

I don't, and I find it silly to believe that when I was born I was destined to die at a certian age

he doesn't think his life line predicts him getting hit by a bus or falling off a bridge, that is obvious nonsense. he sees a possible connection with the line and natural life span. i agree that is also nonsense but it is a more reasonable and logical nonsesne.

Yes, I believe in psychics

and yet you call palm reading silly.

Scientific evidence? This is a purely superstitious matter

I agree. i am not asking for evidence in favour of palm reading but science that quashes the ideas of palm lines

 

[Allister]

First, like a great many other things involved with New Age, chiromancy (palm reading) is considered a pseudoscience. Nothing really proves it, nor disproves it.

Second, you're asking to prove that palmistry doesn't work. It's a logical impossibility to prove a negative. Like, the newspaper on the arm of your couch: Prove to someone else that you *didn't* read it.

In any case, for what it's worth, a short, weak, or even non-existant life line does not necesarily represent a short phyisical life. It could just as easily represent a person who, early in life, started to become high-strung, sickly, lethargic, or even just plain lazy. But again, these are just random meanings pulled from a book, and has little or nothing to do with your brother.

Hope this helps,
-- Druweid

thanks man

 

[RealSorceror]

Who ever said he was an atheist?

Nobody, I just made an assumption. Your an athiest and you said your brother doesn't believe in BibleGod, so I reached a natural conclusion.

I agree. But i imagine that is what they assumed about finger length... random. its hard to convince someone who has an idea in their head.

Hmmm.

possibly. when we talk about such issues he manages to avoid answers but i would say he would like to believe in fate although deep down i think it knows it is a fantastical idea.

Alright, does he have an illness? Does he live a risky lifestyle? Does your family have a histery of heart conditions? In other words, does he have any other reason besides this palm reading to expect to die young?

he doesn't think his life line predicts him getting hit by a bus or falling off a bridge, that is obvious nonsense. he sees a possible connection with the line and natural life span. i agree that is also nonsense but it is a more reasonable and logical nonsesne.

So he things its a biological sign of his health? I'd compare that to any other myth about the size and shape of body parts. Some people would like to believe that there is a connection between finger length and being gay.

and yet you call palm reading silly.

I'm a man of contradictions. Mind you, I don't make that distinction arbitrarily. I have good reason to believe what I believe.

I agree. i am not asking for evidence in favour of palm reading but science that quashes the ideas of palm lines

Unfortunately I've never heard or seen a study on this. I guess its not a big enough issue to merit investigation.

 

[azzy]

Well,actually ,,,he will die at some point.

We all will.

Why does it worry him?

I guess no one wants to die,including me.

But we all must.

 

[Druweid]

Well,actually ,,,he will die at some point.

We all will.

Why does it worry him?

I guess no one wants to die,including me.

But we all must.

"It's not that I'm afraid to die, I just don't want to be there when it happens."

 

[morningstar2651]

My brother is worried because one of his friends who is interested in palm reading and new age spiritual stuff read his palms and his life line on one hand is really short. they she looked at his other hand and his other life line is really short too. he is now panicing. I have tried to convinvce him that palm reading is not real.

can any one give their experiecnes and understandings of the palm and point me to any webpages or sites debunking palm reading with real science. I have looked myself but cannot find anything good enough.

thanks.

http://skepdic.com/palmist.html