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Oh, so you would prefer a 2008AD dictionary definition; that's even worse than any changes there may have been only 1611 years after the autographs were penned. Would you, also, prefer in another 1,000 years to use a 3008AD definition instead? Update things to fit the times even more? There's no spiritual logic in that but, rather, only human logic inherent in that concept and that will never, can never, meet God's intent.changes in the English language over the last 400 years there is simply no basis for translating it that way.
The love of knowledge is antithetical to the love of Jesus Christ.
To update scripture (read: update God's intent to match man's desires)
But this contradicts God's Word when it specifically states God created man--not goo.
You are confusing the bible manuscripts with the Greek lexicons and grammars used to translate it. Modern translations are based on older manuscripts than the AV and are able to compare a much wider selection of ancient manuscripts than were available to Erasmus when he compiled the Textus Receptus in 1516.Oh, so you would prefer a 2008AD dictionary definition; that's even worse than any changes there may have been only 1611 years after the autographs were penned. Would you, also, prefer in another 1,000 years to use a 3008AD definition instead? Update things to fit the times even more? There's no spiritual logic in that but, rather, only human logic inherent in that concept and that will never, can never, meet God's intent.
Of course thinking God has appointed you as judge of all the Christians in modern bible translation committees, and condemning them without knowing the motivations of the heart, or the integrity with which they carried out their work, does not say much for the level of your arguments.To update scripture (read: update God's intent to match man's desires)
It says God made the earth, then he made man out of the dust of the ground, I don't see why you should characterise TE as God just creating slime.makes as much sense as saying God created a bunch of goo that billions of years later slimed its way out of the muck to eventually become man. But this contradicts God's Word when it specifically states God created man--not goo.
Philosophy is man-centered, not Christ-centered.
You cannot mix the Godly with the humanly, the twain shall never meet.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
I Timothy 6:20-21 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
God created everything complete and whole without any evolvement according to the scriptures.That is why we like the term "evolutionary creationists" to refer to our position.
I will be interested to see how this goes over. It is unquestionably correct.
For many it is regarded as simply impossible that God could or would provide for their needs, big and small. According to most, we MUST live by our own wits. Now, all of us do live by our own wits to various degrees, and I am not hearing you recommend that we stop going to work, budgeting or putting the milk in the fridge (when we could leave it out for the Lord to preserve). But, you have apparently picked a fight with a mindset that REQUIRES human wisdom as the first consideration in all of our affairs. They amy now accuse you of being reckless with ordinary prudence in the way we live, which is all about a distraction from your main point. The fact is precious few individuals have any idea about what it is to truly rely upon the love of Jesus in everything.
And your point is taken about philosophy. It is useful. We all use it. But, it is no substitute for the pure truth of God. But we attempt to make that substitution all the time. It will be amusing to see whether anyone tries to justify the equivalence of philosophy with the truth taught by God.
Romans 15:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
Without philosophy, God-centred Christian philosophy, we have no apologetics nor any theology of any sort.
Interest fell woefully lacking as soon as you brought up the prince of humanists, you'll have to do a lot better than that. Try scripture, not human reasoning. You'll get a lot further a lot quicker. And don't bother with the medieval English wording, that's even worse....[]...
Really? Would that be on this board? On this earth? In your own church? What proof have you of this? Each man's say so? Please, pre-consider your words' cud.we're all believers here.
They are quite different you know. What evidence have you that man's wisdom and knowledge is the same as that of God's?
wisdom and knowledge
I didn't say anything about a 'way of life' therefore you point is completely irrelevant. Please answer the question regarding Paul and the Greeks.There are many "ways of life" but Christianity is not "a way of life" any more than it is "a religion".
It is impossible to equate God to a prideful human love of knowledge.
Really? Would that be on this board? On this earth? In your own church? What proof have you of this? Each man's say so? Please, pre-consider your words' cud.
I never equated the two. I simply said there is nothing wrong with seeking knowledge if it brings glory to God.They are quite different you know. What evidence have you that man's wisdom and knowledge is the same as that of God's?
You speak of knowledge as though it is a bad thing, HypoTypoSis. And yet God would glorifies those who seek it in earnest:
Proverbs 25:2
“It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings.”
I agree with you that, as Christians, we ought to seek knowledge with the intent of glorifying God with what we gain. But I hardly think that is a point worth debating, given the fact that we're all believers here. There's nothing wrong with knowledge as long as it's used to give glory to God. God didn't curse Solomon with wisdom and knowledge; He blessed him with it.
I didn't say anything about a 'way of life' therefore you point is completely irrelevant. Please answer the question regarding Paul and the Greeks.
So this is your definition of 'philosophy'? Unsurprisingly it is quite wrong.
In both instances you display a lack of wisdom and understanding. That's ok, all things in their proper time and place.
What evidence have you that man's wisdom and knowledge is the same as that of God's?
In many ways, Solomon is a type of too much of a good thing. Too many wives was one issue.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
I understand your point about "glorifying God", which becomes pretty murky in application. Witness the results of Solomon's knowledge: eventually we are right back into idolatry and the Shekinah leaves the Temple Mount for good, never to return (so far). Of course, we know where Holy Spirit resides now. But that is far from a straightforward victory for the glorification of God.
There is a issue here for those who believe in an inerrant Word. The point is that the Word is far superior to the theological rehashing of the Word.
In some ways your comment really begs the question about the circumstances under which human knowledge can glorify God, without qualification or exception. I don't see that happening until the Lord returns as the kind of King that Solomon utlimately failed at being. In short, we are not capable of reliably wielding even a good thing.
Eccl 7:23 All this I tested by wisdom and I said,
"I am determined to be wise"
but this was beyond me.
24 Whatever wisdom may be,
it is far off and most profound
who can discover it?
Ecc 8:16 When I applied my mind to know wisdom and to observe man's labor on earthhis eyes not seeing sleep day or night- 17 then I saw all that God has done. No one can comprehend what goes on under the sun. Despite all his efforts to search it out, man cannot discover its meaning. Even if a wise man claims he knows, he cannot really comprehend it.
Wisdom is good for shelter and preserves life. But, it is not salvation, though the Word is.
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