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Our Sun is part of a Binary Star System: Fascinating to see what ancient religions understood

FrumiousBandersnatch

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I don't understand why believers who reject science's conclusions then go on to try to make the Bible sound scientific? Does this reflect a subconscious NEED for the Bible to be rationally explained so that they can trust it? Why does it even matter?
Perhaps it makes them feel more comfortable with rejecting science's conclusions if they can convince themselves they have an 'alternative' scientific explanation - much as the Whitehouse feels more comfortable calling falsehoods 'alternative truths'.
 
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But why do they need and alternate 'scientific' explanation? Why not just be honest and say, 'I don't care what science says. The Bible says otherwise.'
 
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But why do they need and alternate 'scientific' explanation? Why not just be honest and say, 'I don't care what science says. The Bible says otherwise.'
Maybe they realise that science is an acknowledged route to knowledge and want to be able to claim scientific validity to persuade waverers - and, perhaps, reinforce their own belief?

Ultimately, I think it's just one of the ways they find to reduce cognitive dissonance.
 
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Glad for the review and when seeing things like this from other scientists, it really sounds foolish the moment others say that folks discussing it "don't love science" - other scientists in prominent places have already said our solar system once had two suns and that's a basic.
 
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Not sure what you're trying to say here. My comment was that a binary star system will be smaller than a whole galaxy. Are you disagreeing?
Show me any galaxy with these billions of stars in the arms that are lighting it up???? Every one you show me will be lit up by ONLY the central star.....

I’m convinced astronomers don’t really understand what they call a galaxy at all.... nor a solar system.....
 
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And hence the misconception that the lesser light that ruled the night was the moon, when in fact it had nothing to do with the moon....
 
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Our own galaxy is this way: with just your eyes on a clear dark night in a dark area you can see about 2,500 stars (about half of all the naked eye visible stars at one time). As you use a telescope you see more. As your telescope gets bigger, you see even more. As the telescope gets huge, even more.

At about 23 seconds into this video, you see the technique currently being used to map these stars in surveying, into a huge map of the sky:

Actually assembling a huge number of photos together, over time.

You don't have to have a viewpoint of what a galaxy is in order to systematically photograph the entire sky and put it together into a map:

 
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Oh I agree they have inaccurately mapped the distances to objects in what they call our galaxy.....

They do not use absolute parallax, but relative parallax which can give erroneous measurements off by 1000’s. Ask yourself why 25% of all relative parallax measurements are negative? Because the objects measured are further than what they believe to be background stars.

This is the claimed center of our galaxy.

Do you see 10,000 suns????

I mean really, do these look like stars to you?


Or in reality do they look as if they are reflecting light cast on them???? These are the same objects they claim are stars in your video. The reality does not match the claim....

So yes, I certainly think they are mapping objects, just not what they claim them to be in their ill-conceived theories....
 
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. Ask yourself why 25% of all relative parallax measurements are negative?
I wondered about and investigated negative parallax. I've always been competent at math and logic and noticing details and noticing errors and contradictions, and I wanted to know precisely how there can be 'negative parallax'.

First, what is parallax exactly? It's only a simple effect you can see in a few seconds of your time --

You can test Parallax youself, right now, easily --
1) Stand and look out a window, and notice nearer objects (the window frame or something tall in your yard like a tree trunk) and also the more distant background of further away objects (such as houses much further away). See how the near object lines up in the background, aligned to some more distant things....

2) Now move yourself sideways several inches or a foot, and notice how the nearby objects appear to shift against the background of more distant objects.

That shift is the parallax shift.

Parallax can be used to caluculate distance to nearby stars with only trigometry alone, and works because the Earth moves -- orbits the sun during 12 months. We are seeing the apparent shift of nearby stars vs the distant background of more distant stars due to the Earth itself orbiting the sun. As we on Earth, the observer, move in our orbit around the sun, we will be roughly 186 million miles apart (the diameter of Earth's orbit) 6 months in time as the point from which we observe stars.

Because we observe from these different points, close stars appear to shift vs far away stars.

That's "parallax" -- it's only geometry, and trigonometry tells us if we know one side and 2 angles in any triangle, the other sides are then fixed (fixed distances), and easy to calculate with trigonometry.

The measurements of the apparent location of the nearby star(s) vs the further away background stars gives us 2 angles, when you draw it out on paper, and with 1 side and 2 angles, the triangle distance is set.

To measure parallax distance, we need to also figure out the proper motion of the star itself since it and our own sun are also both moving at constant velocities. We can with several observations calculate what part of the shifting position is the consistent part due to parallax shift alone.

How does a significant "negative parallax" (bigger than the margin of error due to telescope sensitivity) arise?

It happens when the nearer star is actually one of a cluster of many stars.

Then it's not just one star that is near and shifting against many background stars, but instead the opposite -- the many stars in the field of view are mostly the nearby cluster, and only the brightest stars in the background are of comparable apparent brightness, so....

So, those one or only few distant background stars that are so bright are not the neaby stars, but the background. Therefore those one or few background stars are the ones that appear to shift, vs the nearby cluster of many stars, and of course they shift in the opposite direction we normally see in parallax shift, since they are the more distant stars.

To say it again, in this instance of a nearby cluster, most of the stars in the field of view are actually the close ones, so the only star(s) that shift are actually the distant background, thus the shift happens in the opposite direction than normal.

That's "negative parallax". (In some cases, 'negative parallax' can also happen is when the observed star is a close pair/double star (for instance if astronomers can't correctly account for their orbital movement)) -- 1943AnDea...4....1L Page 1
 
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I’m convinced astronomers don’t really understand what they call a galaxy at all.... nor a solar system.....
Given the poor understanding of science demonstrated in your earlier posts, from the fundamentals of geometry to the principles of special relativity, it's really no surprise.
 
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