Our Part

[Godsappointedtime]

It is the issue of "Relationship" that is of primary importance to our heavenly Father. It is the highest purpose for the creation of man that He might have fellowship with those who will freely yield their will to the will of the Father. It was from the place of intimate fellowship with the Creator that Adam was given Dominion of the Earth. It was the Fathers good pleasure to come in the cool of the evening to visit with His son and view the progress Adam made while dressing the garden. What a beautiful picture for us in our High calling.

(Php 3:10 JM-NT) to intimately and experientially know Him, and the ability (power) of His resurrection -- even the [other MSS: a] common sharing (participation, partnership and fellowship) of His experiences (which include passions and sufferings) -- being a man that is being continuously conformed to (being brought together with the form of; being configured to) His death,

It is from a place of trusted fellowship and intimate relationship that true spiritual authority is derived. We’ve made it far too complicated. Our calling and privilege is to develop a heart to know Him personally and hear His Voice for ourselves. No other formula or strategy will accomplish this. Each of us must answer the call within and give full and free expression to His life. It is not without cost. The cost is your life for His life. Lay yours down and take up the cross and follow Him. It is from this position of relationship that we come into fellowship with His body. The anointed word flows out of each of us as each joint supply's His Church. Our prayers for each other, Our praise for Him, Our witness to the world are all elevated to a higher realm as we each do our part. If we build Him a house of devotion He will flow through us in a ministry without measure!

Eph 4:16 For it is under His direction that the whole body is perfectly adjusted and united by every joint that furnishes its supplies; and by the proper functioning of each particular part there is brought about the growing of the body for its building up in love.




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[patrick68]

=Godsappointedtime;60214724]It is the issue of "Relationship" that is of primary importance to our heavenly Father. It is the highest purpose for the creation of man that He might have fellowship with those who will freely yield their will to the will of the Father. It was from the place of intimate fellowship with the Creator that Adam was given Dominion of the Earth. It was the Fathers good pleasure to come in the cool of the evening to visit with His son and view the progress Adam made while dressing the garden. What a beautiful picture for us in our High calling.

(Php 3:10 JM-NT) to intimately and experientially know Him, and the ability (power) of His resurrection -- even the [other MSS: a] common sharing (participation, partnership and fellowship) of His experiences (which include passions and sufferings) -- being a man that is being continuously conformed to (being brought together with the form of; being configured to) His death,

It is from a place of trusted fellowship and intimate relationship that true spiritual authority is derived. We’ve made it far too complicated. Our calling and privilege for this generation is to develop a heart to know Him personally and hear His Voice for ourselves. No other formula or strategy will accomplish this. Each of us must answer the call within and give full and free expression to His life. It is not without cost. The cost is your life for His life. Lay yours down and take up the cross and follow Him. It is from this position of relationship that we come into fellowship with His body. The anointed word flows out of each of us as each joint supply's His Church. Our prayers for each other, Our praise for Him, Our witness to the world are all elevated to a higher realm as we each do our part. If we build Him a house of devotion He will flow through us in a ministry without measure!

Eph 4:16 For it is under His direction that the whole body is perfectly adjusted and united by every joint that furnishes its supplies; and by the proper functioning of each particular part there is brought about the growing of the body for its building up in love.

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One's relationship with our God is dependent of two; simple but profound choices that we are asked to make MANY TIMES every day.

1. WHo's in charge of My Life

2. Me or my God [and the responsibility can't be shared.

God Bless,
patrick68

 

[Godsappointedtime]

One's relationship with our God is dependent of two; simple but profound choices that we are asked to make MANY TIMES every day.

1. WHo's in charge of My Life

2. Me or my God [and the responsibility can't be shared.

God Bless,
patrick68

I personally begin each day by detaching my self from the tree of knowledge, and through the death of Jesus on the cross in my behalf, I come, as being a branch, and I re-attach myself to the tree of life to receive the life of Jesus, flowing into my life.


“Then Jesus said to them, Verily, verily, I say to you, Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink His blood, you have no life in you.” John 6:53


As I do this and begin to draw on the life of the Lord, I have a deep inner-sense that I am “receiving” the life of the vine flowing into me - I am partaking of and receiving the life of Jesus into my life.


“I am the vine you are the branches: He that abides in Me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for without Me you can do nothing.” John 15:5


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[patrick68]

=Godsappointedtime;60363204]I personally begin each day by detaching my self from the tree of knowledge, and through the death of Jesus on the cross in my behalf, I come, as being a branch, and I re-attach myself to the tree of life to receive the life of Jesus, flowing into my life.


“Then Jesus said to them, Verily, verily, I say to you, Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink His blood, you have no life in you.” John 6:53


As I do this and begin to draw on the life of the Lord, I have a deep inner-sense that I am “receiving” the life of the vine flowing into me - I am partaking of and receiving the life of Jesus into my life.


“I am the vine you are the branches: He that abides in Me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for without Me you can do nothing.” John 15:5
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Very Beautiful, THANK YOU.

God's way is more direct; specific and PROFOUND; and it's practiced Fully, Licitly and Validly only in the Catholic Church.

JOHN Chapter 6: 35-40, Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives me will come to me; and him who comes to me I will not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me; and this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up at the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that every one who sees the Son and believes in him should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." … vs. 47-58 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh." … he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live for ever." AMEN!

God Bless you,
patrick68

 

[loveabounds]

Very Beautiful, THANK YOU.

God's way is more direct; specific and PROFOUND; and it's practiced Fully, Licitly and Validly only in the Catholic Church.

JOHN Chapter 6: 35-40, Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives me will come to me; and him who comes to me I will not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me; and this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up at the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that every one who sees the Son and believes in him should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." … vs. 47-58 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh." … he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live for ever." AMEN!

God Bless you,
patrick68

Sigh.

Another one who misses the symbolism that Jesus used so often when He spoke.

What did Jesus hold up to represent His body? BREAD. What did Jesus hold up to represent His blood? WINE. He did not literally use parts of His body to be passed around the table to be eaten nor did the cup contain His actual blood.

Do you truly believe that Jesus came down as a loaf of bread from Heaven, too?

Consider studying the different forms Jesus spoke in. Symbolism was one such form, parables was another....get the picture?

 

[patrick68]

=loveabounds:Sigh.

Another one who misses the symbolism that Jesus used so often when He spoke.

What did Jesus hold up to represent His body? BREAD. What did Jesus hold up to represent His blood? WINE. He did not literally use parts of His body to be passed around the table to be eaten nor did the cup contain His actual blood.

Do you truly believe that Jesus came down as a loaf of bread from Heaven, too?

Consider studying the different forms Jesus spoke in. Symbolism was one such form, parables was another....get the picture?

So my friend:

Christ who is God either lied or by intent misleads us? If your your position is accurate? Why did God just not say so? LOOK at the PRECISE language He God used.

"MY Body is REAL food and MY Blood is REAL DrinK" John6:55

John 5: 3-36-38 “But the testimony which I have is greater than that of John; for the works which the Father has granted me to accomplish, these very works which I am doing, bear me witness that the Father has sent me. And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness to me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen; and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe him whom he has sent.”


Matthew 26: 26-28
And whilst they were at supper, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke: and gave to his disciples, and said: Take ye, and eat. This is my body. And taking the chalice, he gave thanks, and gave to them, saying: Drink ye all of this. For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.


MARK 14: 22-24
And whilst they were eating, Jesus took bread; and blessing, broke, and gave to them, and said: Take ye. This is my body. And having taken the chalice, giving thanks, he gave it to them. And they all drank of it. And he said to them: This is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many.

Luke 22: 19-21
And taking bread, he gave thanks, and brake; and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me. In like manner the chalice also, after he had supped, saying: This is the chalice, the new testament in my blood, which shall be shed for you.

Paul 1 Cor.11: 23-29
For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread. And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this is my body, which shall be delivered for you: this do for the commemoration of me. In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me. For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall show the death of the Lord, until he come. Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. But let a man prove himself: [to be worthy of the privilege] and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice. For he that eats and drinks unworthily, eats and drinks judgment to himself"

And this Judgement is wrough because of eating just ordicary bread and wine?"

AND THEN:
Matthew, Mark, Luke and Saint PAUL all also lied or mislead us?

And you of couse have a ready at hand explaination for the MANY, MANY Eucharistic Miracles that have taken place since Christ Ressurection? [GOOGLE: "Eucharisitic Miracles"] I can't post URI's yet.

And OF COURSE you have an explaination for the Early Church Fathers and the Early Church beliefs in the REAL PRESENCE?

The early Church Fathers interpreted these passages literally. In summarizing the early Fathers’ teachings on Christ’s Real Presence, renowned Protestant historian of the early Church J. N. D. Kelly, writes: "Eucharistic teaching, it should be understood at the outset, was in general unquestioningly realist, i.e., the consecrated bread and wine were taken to be, and were treated and designated as, the Savior’s body and blood"... Early Christian Doctrines, 440.

Ignatius of Antioch
"I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the bread of God, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ, who was of the seed of David; and for drink I desire his blood, which is love incorruptible" Letter to the Romans 7:3 [A.D. 110].

"Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes" Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2–7:1 [A.D. 110].

Justin Martyr
"We call this food Eucharist, and no one else is permitted to partake of it, except one who believes our teaching to be true and who has been washed in the washing which is for the remission of sins and for regeneration [i.e., has received baptism] and is thereby living as Christ enjoined. For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nurtured, is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus" First Apology 66 [A.D. 151].

Irenaeus
"If the Lord were from other than the Father, how could he rightly take bread, which is of the same creation as our own, and confess it to be his body and affirm that the mixture in the cup is his blood?" Against Heresies 4:33–32 [A.D. 189].

"He has declared the cup, a part of creation, to be his own blood, from which he causes our blood to flow; and the bread, a part of creation, he has established as his own body, from which he gives increase unto our bodies. When, therefore, the mixed cup [wine and water] and the baked bread receives the Word of God and becomes the Eucharist, the body of Christ, and from these the substance of our flesh is increased and supported, how can they say that the flesh is not capable of receiving the gift of God, which is eternal life—flesh which is nourished by the body and blood of the Lord, and is in fact a member of him?" ibid., 5:2.

Clement of Alexandria
"’Eat my flesh,’ [Jesus] says, ‘and drink my blood.’ The Lord supplies us with these intimate nutrients, he delivers over his flesh and pours out his blood, and nothing is lacking for the growth of his children" The Instructor of Children 1:6:43:3 [A.D. 191].

Did Jesus Himself not share the following:

Matthew 28:19-20 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age." [This too is a lie from Jesus?]

John 3:36 “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him.
John 5: 36 "But the testimony which I have is greater than that of John; for the works which the Father has granted me to accomplish, these very works which I am doing, bear me witness that the Father has sent me"


Is your unbelief based on:
1. God can't do this IF he choose too?
2. God either lied or intentionally misleads us in the Bible?
3. The Apostles and Paul, the Early Fathers, and the Early church ALL conspired to "Lie" along with God and to perpetuate FRAUD?
4. The Bible is WRONG?


MY REPLY:

1.God can do any good thing. This is well within God abilities. This is the GREATEST of all possible good; becaus eit IS CHRIST HIMSELF

2. God cannot [ a Moral IMPOSSIBILITY' lie] What possible reason could God have for either lying or misleading us? This GIFT:

OF God
BY God [through His priest]
FOR God's own Glory and our sanctification
CAN ONLY be seen, understood and acceptted with God's Faith and through the understanding of JUST HOW MUCH GOD DOES LOVE US and desire that we DO "merit" according to HIS WAY: our own salvation.

A KEY part of the problem for Protrestants stems from their WRONG beleif of OSAS... therefore God has no further need to assit us. WRONG and unbiblical. Christ Instituted the SEVEN Sacraments to assit us in our salvation efforts.

3. What possible reason [given that they gave their very lifes in SEVERE
Martyrdom] to perpetuate "this fraud?" This is beyond silly.

4.2nd. Tim. 3:16-17 "All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."

Your saying "it's not" and that Christ who IS God spoke incorrectly?
This of course is IMPOSSIBLE for God to do. God can ONLY be Good.

"Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God is tested;he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Add nothing to his words, lest he reprimand you, and you be proved a liar."

Rom.10: 17“So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ”


Eph. 3: 9 to 12 “And to make all men see what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things; that through the church[SINGULAR: meaning THE CATHOLIC Church..no-other church even existed for another thousand years or so] the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places. This was according to the eternal purpose which he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord, in whom we have boldness and confidence of access through our faith in him

Matt.13:9-12 “He who has ears, let him hear." Then the disciples came and said to him, "Why do you speak to them in parables?" And he answered them, "To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.” For to him who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not,[RIGHT-understanding] even what he has will be taken away. “

John 12: 48-49 He who rejects me and does not receive my sayings has a judge; the word that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day. For I have not spoken on my own authority; the Father who sent me has himself given me commandment what to say and what to speak.”

God Bless you my friend; if you'd like more information send me a Private Message.

patrick68

 

[loveabounds]

"Christ who is God either lied or by intent misleads us? If your your position is accurate? Why did God just not say so? LOOK at the PRECISE language He God used."

My brother, Jesus spoke in different forms for different occassions. He spoke in symbolism, He spoke in parables, as well as precise language. We need to understand the difference. Do you believe Peter is rock, an actual rock? After all, Jesus said when speaking to Peter, "you are Peter. Upon this rock....". Do you believe Jesus is a vine? Jesus said that He was. You can't pick and choose when you want to take Christ literally and when you don't. Scripture needs to be put in constant context.

"MY Body is REAL food and MY Blood is REAL DrinK" John6:55

See above. However, for eternal life....yes, Jesus body and blood are needed to live!!!


"And this Judgement is wrough because of eating just ordicary bread and wine?"

I don't know how many times I need to explain it. Believe what you want.


"The early Church Fathers interpreted these passages literally. In summarizing the early Fathers’ teachings on Christ’s Real Presence, renowned Protestant historian of the early Church J. N. D. Kelly, writes: "Eucharistic teaching, it should be understood at the outset, was in general unquestioningly realist, i.e., the consecrated bread and wine were taken to be, and were treated and designated as, the Savior’s body and blood"... Early Christian Doctrines, 440. "

If we are receiving Communion in rememberance of Jesus, knowing that He is the bread and blood of everlasting life....that IS real. Jesus IS the bread and blood of everlasting life!!! Bread and wine can be designated to represent the body and blood of Jesus Christ, but never did Jesus say that a priest should do some hokus pokus over the bread and wine and nowhere does He say it gets turned into the actual body and blood of our Savior. Food, drink...are both needed for life. Jesus is the bread and wine of eternal life!!!

As for the rest of your quotes that are not found in Scripture, I'm sorry....but if you choose to believe the writtings of people, taking more stock in them than Scripture, that is your choice. I will not put any writings above those found in the Bible. Although if you would look critically at some of what you posted, you'd realize that you actually made my point stronger.

"Did Jesus Himself not share the following:

Matthew 28:19-20 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age." [This too is a lie from Jesus?]"

HUH??? What are you talking about??? Please stop taking my words out of context. It's not an honest form of debate.

"John 3:36 “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him.
John 5: 36 "But the testimony which I have is greater than that of John; for the works which the Father has granted me to accomplish, these very works which I am doing, bear me witness that the Father has sent me""

I'm glad you posted this one!! Notice how it says "He who believes in the Son has eternal life". That pretty much shoots a hole in catholicism's belief that they are the only one true church of Christ!!!!


"Is your unbelief based on:
1. God can't do this IF he choose too?
2. God either lied or intentionally misleads us in the Bible?
3. The Apostles and Paul, the Early Fathers, and the Early church ALL conspired to "Lie" along with God and to perpetuate FRAUD?
4. The Bible is WRONG?"

My unbelief is not in Jesus, it is not in God, it is not in Scripture. My unbelief is in the nonesense of certain branches of Christianity, their man made laws, traditions, their self serving interpretations, their addition of things that are not found in Scripture and judgements they believe they are intitled to make. Once again, it is not an honorable thing to do when one resorts to misrepresenting what someone has said. Anyone can take one look at my posts and realize that I only find truth in Scripture, that I believe that God is infallable.


MY REPLY:


"A KEY part of the problem for Protrestants stems from their WRONG beleif of OSAS... therefore God has no further need to assit us. WRONG and unbiblical. Christ Instituted the SEVEN Sacraments to assit us in our salvation efforts."

Besides being utterly wrong in your assessment, you do not want me to go into all the Scriptural problems catholics have. Frankly, I don't have the time to go into all of them, but I will make time later this evening to do so in a private message!!

"Your saying "it's not" and that Christ who IS God spoke incorrectly?
This of course is IMPOSSIBLE for God to do. God can ONLY be Good."

You're lucky I have patience. I did NOT say anything of the sort. What I said was that by the interpretation some have made, they would have to say that God was wrong....I never said that I believed God was wrong! Please...stop taking my words out of context!!!

"Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God is tested;he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Add nothing to his words, lest he reprimand you, and you be proved a liar."

Keep these verses in mind. I'm going to remind you of them.

"Eph. 3: 9 to 12 “And to make all men see what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things; that through the church[SINGULAR: meaning THE CATHOLIC Church..no-other church even existed for another thousand years or so]"

If it wasn't so sad that you truly believe that and then further err by adding your own words to Scripture that were never said, I'd be laughing. The "church" is all who believe!!!!!!!! The arrogance and pride of your faith is going to be it's destruction!!


Matt.13:9-12 “He who has ears, let him hear." Then the disciples came and said to him, "Why do you speak to them in parables?" And he answered them, "To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.” For to him who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not,[RIGHT-understanding] even what he has will be taken away. “

It's quite obvious the secrets have not been given to you. You take almost everything out of context, interjecting your own meanings and clearly miss what Scripture is saying and about and to whom.


"God Bless you my friend; if you'd like more information send me a Private Message."

I believe I will private message you. Although, it won't be to obtain information you feel you have. You see, I was raised catholic. At a very young age, I was given a strong sense of discernment and by the 5th grade, the Holy Spirit led me to begin seeing all the fallacies that faith holds and directed me to actual Scripture. As an adult, I left that branch of Christianity because of it's false teachings and unbiblical traditions.

I need to get things ready for one of my ministries right now, but look for a message soon.

God Bless you!!