Our Hope for the Future

[keras]

So Jesus promised the thief on the Cross a "cop out" after the thief experienced an excruciating death? Perhaps Jesus should have told the thief, the thief could enter Paradise prior to physical death?

How does that work out that no one can go to Paradise for thousands of years, and then still cannot, because there is no more Paradise when the GWT Judgment takes place. Why did Jesus lie to the thief about Paradise, if no one would ever go there, period?

Paradise does not exist past the point of heaven and earth passing away.

How can all those in heaven descend in the New Jerusalem if no one was ever there to begin with?

Are you saying that all on earth can only enter after the city is on the earth?

The Garden of Eden, Paradise, and the New Jerusalem are all different forms of the same location. A vast area that is centered around the Tree of life. It was the original home of Adam and Eve. A place where all their descendants would be at home and together. Yet you claim no one can ever go there. Why should any one go there even as the New Jerusalem? Seems being banned then is just as legitimate as now. Why are you not consistent?

What Jesus Promised to the repentant thief, was that his name was now Written in the Book of Life, so on the Day of Judgment, that will be 3000 years after he died, he will receive immortality and will live with Jesus on the new earth.
Jesus Himself didn't go to 'Paradise', but went to hades to preach to the fallen angels.

 

[Timtofly]

What Jesus Promised to the repentant thief, was that his name was now Written in the Book of Life, so on the Day of Judgment, that will be 3000 years after he died, he will receive immortality and will live with Jesus on the new earth.
Jesus Himself didn't go to 'Paradise', but went to hades to preach to the fallen angels.

The thief was in Paradise that day with the Lord God, as well as the spirit of Jesus. Only the body of Jesus was left to place in the tomb, and the soul of Jesus entered sheol, and was there and back as fast as those coming out of their graves in physical bodies.

We don't take this body to heaven. We are given a permanent incorruptible physical body instantly upon leaving this body of corruption. There is no 3,000 year wait in 2 Corinthians 5:1.

 

[Diamond72]

as fast as those coming out of their graves in physical bodies.

The Bible tells us noting about them other than them going to the city to talk to people. I wonder where they are today. Matthew 27 when the vail was torn. 51 "At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people. "

 

[Timtofly]

The Bible tells us noting about them other than them going to the city to talk to people. I wonder where they are today. Matthew 27 when the vail was torn. 51 "At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people. "

All the OT redeemed waiting in Abraham's bosom entered Paradise on Sunday morning. That was after being alive the same 3 evenings and mornings Jesus' body was in the tomb.

Their eternal life was permanent after Jesus physically arose from physical death.

 

[keras]

All the OT redeemed waiting in Abraham's bosom entered Paradise on Sunday morning. That was after being alive the same 3 evenings and mornings Jesus' body was in the tomb.

Their eternal life was permanent after Jesus physically arose from physical death.

But David is still in his tomb, waiting for the final Judgment. Acts 13:36
The belief of anyone receiving immortality before the Judgment; after the Millennium, Rev 20:11-15, is false.

The ideas of Abrahms bosom and Paradise, are metaphorical and are cited as types and shadows of the reality to come after Gods Plan of 7000 years for mankind is over.

 

[Timtofly]

But David is still in his tomb, waiting for the final Judgment. Acts 13:36
The belief of anyone receiving immortality before the Judgment; after the Millennium, Rev 20:11-15, is false.

The ideas of Abrahms bosom and Paradise, are metaphorical and are cited as types and shadows of the reality to come after Gods Plan of 7000 years for mankind is over.

I never mentioned immortality, a man made metaphorical type and shadow.

Do you think the Tree of life is metaphorical, and never physically existed?

That body in David's tomb will return to dust. The soul of David was in Abraham's bosom. David's soul ascended to heaven in his new permanent incorruptible physical body, with Jesus on the Sunday morning of the Lord's resurrection.

 

[Diamond72]

But David is still in his tomb, waiting for the final Judgment. Acts 13:36

What was so special about the people that were resurrected when the veil was torn?

 

[keras]

What was so special about the people that were resurrected when the veil was torn?

The Bible calls them 'saints', so we know they must have been God believers and had righteous lives.
They died again, as the GT martyrs who will be resurrected back to mortal life, will do. Revelation 20:4-6

 

[keras]

What I want to clarify and bring to everyone’s attention is the fact of how God’s people, His faithful Christians, will occupy all of the holy Land during the end times. Isaiah 62:1-5 describes this and even names the new nation of Beulah to be established there.

But of course, before that can happen that area must be cleared and cleansed, as Deuteronomy 32:34-43 prophesies.

When God’s desire and great Plan for His Creation, is properly considered, then ideas like going to live in heaven and of one final ‘big bang’ annihilation of the godless, are seen to be wrong. What He wants and has never yet had, is a people living in the place designated for them on earth, being the people who will display His glory and being the Light to the other nations. Isaiah 66:18b-21, Ezekiel 28:24-26 and Romans 9:24-25, describe it.

This IS our destiny, our great privilege to become a part of this amazing plan, as we are the peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language, who are alive now and whom the Lord will reward for our faithfulness and endurance as we pass through all the things which must happen before the glorious Return of Jesus.

 

[Diamond72]

then ideas like going to live in heaven and of one final ‘big bang’ annihilation of the godless, are seen to be wrong.

It does not matter. Earth will be as Heaven is. That is why we are to pray Thy Kingdom come Thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Then everything will be the way we always thought it should be.