Ouija Boards

[Reverend DSD]

I was wondering, what is the general belief around here about Ouija or Spirit Boards. Now this post is not ment for the Christian ready to pull verses out of the bible. I want to hear from Non-Christians, or Christians who may not agree with most others in their religion.

So what do you think, are they the source of all evil or a good divination tool to work with. I know what I think and will be posting it a bit later. But what is the Non-Christian view of it around here?

Sincerely,
Reverend DSD

 

[MoonlessNight]

I don't think they are a source of evil and I don't think they have any powers of divination...

That's not an option.

 

[Nathan David]

They're just blocks of wood.

 

[Freodin]

Same here.

Neither do I think they are a source of evil - except the evil of people getting upset when you mention them.

Nor do I think they are useful for divination. Tea leaves work better. (Reminds me to get a cup! )

 

[Reverend DSD]

So I take it that you are all saying that you don't think they work at all. Wow, so that isn't the response that I was expecting at all, but that is how it falls. But now what if I tell you that they aren't just blocks of wood. I have seen them work, many times (while I have retired myself from them a matter of years ago). So I think to just simply call them a block of wood wouldn't explain any of the phenominon behind it.

 

[Nathan David]

I'd say you need to get out more.

 

[Freodin]

I never understood why well- or ill-meaning spirits could easily converse via this aid "block of wood", but never deigned to use something like my e-mail account.

What do they need the board for at all?

 

[Reverend DSD]

I need to get out more, ok the insults always start where the lack of knowledge begins. The only reason I am bringing this up is because I have been having a bit of conversation about it lately among my friends and I thought I would get some other views on it. If you choice to be a skeptic, that's fine, but if it is just a block of wood, then the Church needs to rethink some of there opositions to it.

Sincerely,
Rev. DSD

 

[Freodin]

I need to get out more, ok the insults always start where the lack of knowledge begins. The only reason I am bringing this up is because I have been having a bit of conversation about it lately among my friends and I thought I would get some other views on it. If you choice to be a skeptic, that's fine, but if it is just a block of wood, then the Church needs to rethink some of there opositions to it.

Sincerely,
Rev. DSD

Well, I am asking for knowlegde.

How does an Quija Board work? Do you need a special kind of wood? Does it work when it is made from card board? Do you need the board at all?

 

[Reverend DSD]

Personally I remember when I was a kid and we used to make them out of typing paper and small pieces of cardboard. So you don't need anything special. I have heard many theories to why they work. Some say it is the devil or his demons (I disagree with that). Some say it is spirits, angels, and those who have past channeling through the board to convey a message or just to communicate. Third I have heard that it is a person's own self conscious (keeping in mind that some say that your self conscious knows and understands everything about this world and the next), but the person themselves isn't aware that they are moving it. And then last but not least, there is a small population of people who purposely move it just to convey "evil" messages to freak out the other people around. Do I honestly know how they work, no... however I have seen them work, many times. So the question I am really asking in this post is what do you think. I know theories and I know what I tend to believe, but I just was wondering if anyone else had any other beliefs or ideas about it. Forgive me if I was unclear with my original question/comment.

Sincerely,
Rev. DSD

 

[Freodin]

Personally I remember when I was a kid and we used to make them out of typing paper and small pieces of cardboard. So you don't need anything special. I have heard many theories to why they work. Some say it is the devil or his demons (I disagree with that). Some say it is spirits, angels, and those who have past channeling through the board to convey a message or just to communicate. Third I have heard that it is a person's own self conscious (keeping in mind that some say that your self conscious knows and understands everything about this world and the next), but the person themselves isn't aware that they are moving it. And then last but not least, there is a small population of people who purposely move it just to convey "evil" messages to freak out the other people around. Do I honestly know how they work, no... however I have seen them work, many times. So the question I am really asking in this post is what do you think. I know theories and I know what I tend to believe, but I just was wondering if anyone else had any other beliefs or ideas about it. Forgive me if I was unclear with my original question/comment.

Sincerely,
Rev. DSD

Well, I adhere to the hypothesis that it is your subconscious that makes it "work" - but not that your subconscious does possess any kind of omniscience.

Scientifically, it is quite easy. It can be tested, and as yet all these tests have failed. There has never been any reliable quota of hits that would show any effect beyond simple randomness.

So I do not think it is a working method of divination.

But because I do not think it is a means for evil to be propagated. (Would be some silly sort of evil, wouldn´t it?), the other options do not apply for me either.

You simple left out the poll option "It does nothing at all".

 

[Reverend DSD]

Ok I understand your view point and I guess I just have one thing to say. Scientifically I have seen no evidence going either way. However, I don't see any scientific evidence that can honestly prove anything within the realm of spirituality. I don't think it is fair to make any comparison between the two - spirituality and science. But thank you for your opinion.

Sincerely,
Rev. DSD

 

[Pete Harcoff]

I don't think they are a source of evil and I don't think they have any powers of divination...

Agreed. I think any effects a Ouija Board has simply exists in the minds of those using it.

 

[Alessandro]

This is a conversation two people had with a spirit through a Ouija board.

They both sat on each side of the board and followed the instructions, they asked "what is your name?" and the pointer, haltingly at first then very directly spelled "Death", then they asked "Where are you from" the pointer spelled "Satan" they were scared then and finally asked "How far does your power reach" the board then spelled "To the blood"

God warns about such in Dueteronomy 18:9-14

 

[Reverend DSD]

So are you saying that because two people had a conversation like that it means that it completely explains the effects, or actions it can produce? Just because there is a story about two random people that may or may not have existed doesn't mean there is any truth to it. I guess I just really don't know what you are trying to say in your post Alessandro. Please specify.

Rev. DSD

 

[Alessandro]

That example I listed did in fact happen, but that is not the case.

It gives you an idea of what they are used for and what results and can and will from it, I am sure you know that though.

 

[Havoc]

I'm a firm believer in divination, but not in Ouija Boards. Ouija Boards are really just a Parlor game invented not very many years ago and marketed by Parker Bros.That is not to say tht Ouija can not be used for divination, anything can be used thus. It ins my belief that divination is at least partly a result of the "collective unconscious". As a result things which have been used for many generations by many people for divination have engraved themselves into the collective unconscious, and are thus more effective. Ouija just hasn't been around as long as, say, divination by clouds, or birds, or scrystones.

 

[Reverend DSD]

That example I listed did in fact happen, but that is not the case.

It gives you an idea of what they are used for and what results and can and will from it, I am sure you know that though.

That's the thing I disagree with I guess. Because your story is promoting the idea that it is used for "satan's deeds". So I get what you are saying, however you make it seem like that is the one and only purpose for it. And Havoc is right, it is a new concept but the idea that it is strictly a tool of the devil doesn't make sense. That and the story doesn't express what it is capable of doing, all that it shows is that a couple of people got freaked out over an eerie message. Then again maybe I don't exactly get what you are saying.

Rev. DSD

 

[Alessandro]

Well let us look at it this way, what other things are you aware of whether it is that (ouija boards) or similar methods that tap into the spirit realm are used for.

 

[WayMan]

Well let us look at it this way, what other things are you aware of whether it is that (ouija boards) or similar methods that tap into the spirit realm are used for.

Where do you think the spirit realm is ?