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How much does everyone need to donate to get this fixed?
I have a reply I've tried to send 20 times and it's not going through. Online debating is no longer a relaxing activity lol
I doubt a TA would know how to fix the website, but if they could, the cost for 3-4 hours of their time would be worth it lol.A TA salary is about $20,000 per academic year. Benefit rates are low. $25k aught to do it.
OK admins....... we're about to lose Rob! These problems are getting real.How much does everyone need to donate to get this fixed?
I have a reply I've tried to send 20 times and it's not going through. Online debating is no longer a relaxing activity lol
Hey, I offered up my services for a nominal fee lolOK admins....... we're about to lose Rob! These problems are getting real.
Pardon me for thinking you were talking about the subject of the thread.I doubt a TA would know how to fix the website, but if they could, the cost for 3-4 hours of their time would be worth it lol.
I'm sure we could all scrape together $50
Pardon me for thinking you were talking about the subject of the thread.
trying to lol
I posted the google docs link to the assignment earlier.OK.
How much do you know about the assignment, the essay, and the instructors' comments on the grade?
Here is a source:
She turned in a Bible sermon instead of an essay and failed. Now conservatives say she’s the victim.
Samantha Fulnecky’s Bible-filled essay earned her a failing grade. After whining to Republican leaders, the University of Oklahoma is caving to her demands.www.friendlyatheist.com
The students "paper" didnt even challenge the study in any way. Just completely ignored it. This would be a different discussion if the student had actually challenged the premise rather than going off on a generic rant.I posted the google docs link to the assignment earlier.
Which was asking students to write a reaction paper about this
Hence the reason I referred to it as a "concede the premise" type of assignment
The students "paper" didnt even challenge the study in any way. Just completely ignored it. This would be a different discussion if the student had actually challenged the premise rather than going off on a generic rant.
No, but that's not what happened here.Should an instructor be allowed to grade by a different set of standards based on injection of personal biases when an assignment touches on an area that's "close to home" for them?
That didn't happen either....and on an assignment, no less, that one could reasonably argue was in the theme of "concede the premise"? (IE: Asking students to write a paper that operates on the assumption that's the instructor's position on a subjective topic is the correct one)
I expect it to go to court.In this case, what other "completeness" would there need to be in this scenario?
In a nutshell:
- roughly 2 months ago, there was a dispute over how an assignment was graded
- the student claims there was bias given the circumstances
- the TA claims there was not
- they both lawyered up
- university (obviously) consulted their legal team...at least I'd open a major university with one of the largest endowments in the country would if they're worth their salt.
The university's review concluded:
"Based on an examination of the graduate teaching assistant’s prior grading standards and patterns, as well as the graduate teaching assistant’s own statements related to this matter, it was determined that the graduate teaching assistant was arbitrary in the grading of this specific paper,"
Not sure what other bureaucracy and "process" people are expecting.
That's because the student deserved a zero.I suspect that no matter arbitration entity reviewing it, the people on the side of the TA are going to have issue with anything other than "The TA wins".
Nobody was asked to concede anything. Stop being disingenuous.This was absolutely a "concede the premise" assignment.
In the modern academia world where credentialism is king, there is no feasible way for a student to "challenge" a study without a flat out rejection.
The assignment was a reaction to an abstract that was published by 2 people who have a grand total of 26 published works between them and an unimpressive number of citations (which, in the academic community, means they're "shlubs" for lack of a better term, the anti-vaxxers who went on Rogan have a more impressive professional record than the people who authored the piece they were tasked with reviewing)
This was absolutely a "concede the premise" assignment.
Example:
If there was some TA you had in an economics class, who made it pretty clear they were on the conservative side economically speaking...
And they gave you the assignment of
Read this abstract from these two pro trickle down people who've been cited fewer than a dozen times, and
- talk about why you think their work is important
- talk about how their work applies to your own life
- link objective findings that have proven their premise to be impactful
- talk about how that ties in with what I talked about Tuesday
- talk about how their research can be taken to the next developmental stage
What would your reaction be to that?
Clearly there's a hard stop at #1 on the list, because if someone tasked me with explaining why economists who favor trickle down is important, my response would be "it's not, and this is a sham"
Plus, for any of us (and I believe this includes both you and I) that have been in the college environment, we all know that TAs can have some "bit of a power trip" tendencies lol. Basically, a person who's been in college for 5 years, wanting to lord over "those simpleton undergrads who've only been here for 3 years"
In the modern academia world where credentialism is king, there is no feasible way for a student to "challenge" a study without a flat out rejection.
The assignment was a reaction to an abstract that was published by 2 people who have a grand total of 26 published works between them and an unimpressive number of citations (which, in the academic community, means they're "shlubs" for lack of a better term, the anti-vaxxers who went on Rogan have a more impressive professional record than the people who authored the piece they were tasked with reviewing)
This was absolutely a "concede the premise" assignment.
Example:
If there was some TA you had in an economics class, who made it pretty clear they were on the conservative side economically speaking...
And they gave you the assignment of
Read this abstract from these two pro trickle down people who've been cited fewer than a dozen times, and
- talk about why you think their work is important
- talk about how their work applies to your own life
- link objective findings that have proven their premise to be impactful
- talk about how that ties in with what I talked about Tuesday
- talk about how their research can be taken to the next developmental stage
What would your reaction be to that?
Clearly there's a hard stop at #1 on the list, because if someone tasked me with explaining why economists who favor trickle down is important, my response would be "it's not, and this is a sham"
Plus, for any of us (and I believe this includes both you and I) that have been in the college environment, we all know that TAs can have some "bit of a power trip" tendencies lol. Basically, a person who's been in college for 5 years, wanting to lord over "those simpleton undergrads who've only been here for 3 years"
I follow this topic but haven’t yet felt the urge to form an opinion, oddly enough.Given the facts that are available, this seems the only reasonable outcome. I would need additional facts in order to change my view on the matter.
So if I find something wrong with the economics paper and want to be that maverick student, then I should challenge the paper. Thats a risk because its not really the assignment, as you note. But at least Im dealing with the course material - even if its not the way the prof expected.In the modern academia world where credentialism is king, there is no feasible way for a student to "challenge" a study without a flat out rejection.
The assignment was a reaction to an abstract that was published by 2 people who have a grand total of 26 published works between them and an unimpressive number of citations (which, in the academic community, means they're "shlubs" for lack of a better term, the anti-vaxxers who went on Rogan have a more impressive professional record than the people who authored the piece they were tasked with reviewing)
This was absolutely a "concede the premise" assignment.
Example:
If there was some TA you had in an economics class, who made it pretty clear they were on the conservative side economically speaking...
And they gave you the assignment of
Read this abstract from these two pro trickle down people who've been cited fewer than a dozen times, and
- talk about why you think their work is important
- talk about how their work applies to your own life
- link objective findings that have proven their premise to be impactful
- talk about how that ties in with what I talked about Tuesday
- talk about how their research can be taken to the next developmental stage
What would your reaction be to that?
Clearly there's a hard stop at #1 on the list, because if someone tasked me with explaining why economists who favor trickle down is important, my response would be "it's not, and this is a sham"
Plus, for any of us (and I believe this includes both you and I) that have been in the college environment, we all know that TAs can have some "bit of a power trip" tendencies lol. Basically, a person who's been in college for 5 years, wanting to lord over "those simpleton undergrads who've only been here for 3 years"
I entirely disagree. Although it was a terrible essay and probably deserved a zero, the TA was unable to be unbiased and abused his position of power. The university had no other choice, they just don’t want “bad press” or ruin their reputation.Cowards.
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