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urnotme said:I like to study islam but I don't think judaism is false exactly, they just have a differant interpretation of the scriptures.
urnotme said:I like to study islam but I don't think judaism is false exactly, they just have a differant interpretation of the scriptures.
BourbonFromHeaven said:Given Jewish and Christian ideas of God, Salvation, etc are considerbly different, I can see why Arunma made this statement.
InnerPhyre said:I'll be including ISKCON as well.
Islam acknowledges Isa the prophet who they call Jesus the christ. I don't think they acknowledge Jesus. Not the Jesus that we acknowledge.arunma said:Personally I think that any religion which denies Jesus is false. And since Judaism denies him to an even greater extent than Islam, I suppose this means that Judaism has even fewer elements of truth. That said, Judaism is still an interesting religion, and they seem to have developed a good moral code.
InnerPhyre said:I dunno arunma....I tend to think of Judaism in a more favorable light. They just missed the train when it comes to Jesus. Islam was founded by Satan to destroy the work that Jesus accomplished. According to Muslims, you will burn in hell forever....period. The only thing that can keep you in hell forever according to them is the only thing that we know can save us....believing the true message of Jesus.
I think that is precisely what it is.arunma said:Thank you, actually that's precisely why I made the statement. I think that we all need to realize that Judaism isn't "Christianity minus Jesus."
urnotme said:I think that is precisely what it is.
InnerPhyre said:Far from it. Do you follow the Torah?
InnerPhyre said:I dunno arunma....I tend to think of Judaism in a more favorable light.
InnerPhyre said:They just missed the train when it comes to Jesus.
InnerPhyre said:Islam was founded by Satan to destroy the work that Jesus accomplished.
InnerPhyre said:According to Muslims, you will burn in hell forever....period. The only thing that can keep you in hell forever according to them is the only thing that we know can save us....believing the true message of Jesus.
urnotme said:I think that is precisely what it is.
Maize said:What is your favorite religion to study other than your own. If you are not allowed to study or understand other religions because your religion forbids it, please do not jump down my throat for asking the question. The question was not directed at you then.
arunma said:I view Jews and their culture in a highly positive light. My contention is exclusively with the religion of Judaism. We are talking about the Jewish religion, right?
"Missed the train?" Jesus is everything to the follower of God. What gain is it to believe in God, the Law, and the message of the prophets if you reject their ultimate purpose in Christ? All of that is meaningless without Jesus, and it won't lead to salvation.
I don't know about that. Yes, Islam destroyed many Christian nations, but at least it caused a group of Arabic pagans to worship God and know something about the message of Jesus. In essence, it has had mixed consequences. If you ask me, religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, and European paganism are the true religions of Satan. But that's another story.
Now as for Judaism, it includes many works that are not of God, including the Talmud and the writings of the rabbis. Personally I think that all of these works came from the same place as the Qur'an (whether that means the devil or not is up to you).
Actually, I think they say that Trinitarian Christians are capable of reaching the lowest level of heaven after some time in hell. But I'm not sure.
arunma said:Ever read the Talmud? It claims that Jesus was the illegitimate child of Mary and a Roman soldier, that he told the people to worship false gods, and that he was stoned to death by the Sanhedrin. This is one of many reasons that I don't think there is any divine aspect to the Jewish religion.
InnerPhyre said:And when I said that the Jewish faith "missed the train" with Jesus, what I meant is that it started out on track, and missed the Messiah who would be the fulfillment of the faith. Judaism wasn't created in an attempt to destroy Christianity. It was created by God and brought forth our Lord and Savior. Then it went straight when it should have hung a right
InnerPhyre said:Islam on the other hand is a response to Christianity. Its purpose is to attack Christ.
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