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8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. (1 Jn 1:8–10)​

How does one wriggle out of these statements concerning their knowledge of their own sinfulness?
Cleansed from all righteousness, to either remain clean or to be as a swine to turn to your wallowing in filth again, to be according to the true proverb, as the dog returns to his vomit, so a fool returns to his folly AGAIN, as the Lord spoke peace unto His PEOPLE AND to His saints, they are instructed to NOT TURN AGAIN TO FOLLY.

Now that is fully testified again, how the escape from those pollutions of the world came by the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, ( to be cleansed from ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS) but they are still entangled in it, and then overcome, and so they had known the way of righteousnes ( to be cleansed from ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS) but after they knew it they turned from the holy commandment delivered unto them. ( to be free from unrighteousness/sin)


Psalm 85:8 I will hear what God the Lord will speak: for he will speak peace unto his people, and to his saints: but let them not turn again to folly.

Proverbs 26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.



Romans 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members SERVANTS to righteousness unto holiness.


Romans 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

Romans 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.


Romans 6:22 But now being made FREE FROM SIN, and BECOME SERVANTS TO GOD, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.




Context us this, to awake to what is the example, not grab on the words that are no example.



1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
 
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What else do you think is needed today?
Every good thing, which is in us by Christ Jesus.




Philemon 1:6 That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.
 
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8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. (1 Jn 1:8–10)​

How does one wriggle out of these statements concerning their knowledge of their own sinfulness?
How does one have sinfulness and not tell us all the details about it here, or is it a shame to speak of what is committed in the dark in secret, by people who say they are following the light which neither hides anything nor has to be covered up or to be ashamed of what causes DEATH/light causing no SHAME.

Romans 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the END OF THOSE THINGS IS DEATH.

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.



Belief is how to not be ashamed, also by for the same sanctification so that Christ is not ashamed to call us brothers.



Romans 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Hebrews 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
 
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So the testimony on this thread is a little clearer, we show the good and that we follow Jesus Christ, or we show not good, and that we follow something else then. once saved and always is not good, but to do good for others is good, including that they follow the good, and maybe see that Christ may be with you, who has the good feelings towards them in all.
 
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How does one have sinfulness and not tell us all the details about it here, or is it a shame to speak of what is committed in the dark in secret, by people who say they are following the light which neither hides anything nor has to be covered up or to be ashamed of what causes DEATH/light causing no SHAME.

Romans 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the END OF THOSE THINGS IS DEATH.

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Belief is how to not be ashamed, also by for the same sanctification so that Christ is not ashamed to call us brothers.

Romans 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Hebrews 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
I am not being deceitful here, but you are. It is evident that you know that teaching sinless perfection is forbidden on this sight because you are preaching its requirements while being careful to not state it directly. Not only is this deceitful, but it also is rule-breaking. Honesty is the best policy, even when it is inconvenient.
 
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More deceiving then.


Acts 5:28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

2 Corinthians 6:8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
 
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Every good thing, which is in us by Christ Jesus.




Philemon 1:6 That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.

Including Luke 12:33, for example?
 
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Including Luke 12:33, for example?
Including very much, all things done by ritual and law and not by faith or righteousness.


Luke 12:34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Mathew 6:16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;
18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
 
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