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Orthodox view on the "Nephilim"

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that's not evidence that they can. Christ told the Apostles that the Spirit would lead them into all Truth, so it's gotta be out there in the 2000 years since Pentecost.

It is out there, but canonicity is in the eye of the human that vindicates it. The Word of God Himself is a Living entity, and I guarantee people are out there who have been told the Word of God (including on this subject) - the Truth - because He has promised He would put His word on our hearts and minds.
 
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Where does the Most High God ever say angels cannot mate with humans? He is the arbiter of possibilities, not man.

Edit: The Most High God, or the Word of God Himself.

again, you're the one making the claim, so the burden of proof is on you.
 
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It is out there, but canonicity is in the eye of the human that vindicates it. The Word of God Himself is a Living entity, and I guarantee people are out there who have been told the Word of God (including on this subject) - the Truth - because He has promised He would put His word on our hearts and minds.

so where is it? and just saying it's out there, therefore it's got some truth to it is a poor argument. Mormonism is out there, that doesn't mean the Native Americans are a race of cursed Jews.
 
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again, you're the one making the claim, so the burden of proof is on you.

I am not the one who said the Word of God said angels cannot mate with humans.

Indeed, the Word of God never actually says this; humans have.
 
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so where is it? and just saying it's out there, therefore it's got some truth to it is a poor argument. Mormonism is out there, that doesn't mean the Native Americans are a race of cursed Jews.

I told you the Word of God has put it in everyone's hearts by providence of the New Covenant. No need for religion; no need for canon. However, ignorance, pride and selfishness - along with lofty senses of self - keep us stupid, and unable to perceive the Truth. The Most High God Himself told Jeremiah that He would put His laws and statutes in our hearts and minds; we have to believe that.

Do you believe the Most High God could equip someone with the entirety of the Word of God necessary for a relationship if that person had never seen a Christian, or a bible? This isn't just a physical thing; it is most all spiritual - substantiated by the faith/trust we have in our Father.
 
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I am not the one who said the Word of God said angels cannot mate with humans.

Indeed, the Word of God never actually says this; humans have.

you said they can, or at least implied it. plus you, not me, are the guest here.
 
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I told you the Word of God has put it in everyone's hearts by providence of the New Covenant. No need for religion; no need for canon. However, ignorance, pride and selfishness - along with lofty senses of self - keep us stupid, and unable to perceive the Truth. The Most High God Himself told Jeremiah that He would put His laws and statutes in our hearts and minds; we have to believe that.

Do you believe the Most High God could equip someone with the entirety of the Word of God necessary for a relationship if that person had never seen a Christian, or a bible? This isn't just a physical thing; it is most all spiritual - substantiated by the faith/trust we have in our Father.

okay, this is your reading of things. where is any historical evidence that supports what you are saying?
 
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okay, this is your reading of things. where is any historical evidence that supports what you are saying?

Every time I ask for direct reference for where the Word of God Himself has said something doctrinal on these forums, it is always a problem. I'm done with playing around and, as you said, I am a guest here - though I didn't think there were any guests if you are a believer in the community of the Word of God.

Cheers.
 
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Kaon do you believe as written in Enoch that these offspring were 450 feet tall and ravished the planet eating everything in sight creating famine and war amongst normal sized people?
That God sent the flood to drown them and since they were hybrids their spirits have been allowed to remain on the earth as evil demons?
Enoch was simply one explanation of Genesis 6. Julius Africanus a man familiar with jewish thought writing in 180 ad wrote gave the 2 most notable opinions:

When men multiplied on the earth, the angels of heaven came together with the daughters of men. In some copies I found "the sons of God." What is meant by the Spirit, in my opinion, is that the descendants of Seth are called the sons of God on account of the righteous men and patriarchs who have sprung from him, even down to the Saviour Himself; but that the descendants of Cain are named the seed of men, as having nothing divine in them, on account of the wickedness of their race and the inequality of their nature, being a mixed people, and having stirred the indignation of God. But if it is thought that these refer to angels, we must take them to be those who deal with magic and jugglery, who taught the women the motions of the stars and the knowledge of things celestial, by whose power they conceived the giants as their children, by whom wickedness came to its height on the earth, until God decreed that the whole race of the living should perish in their impiety by the deluge.
 
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Kaon do you believe as written in Enoch that these offspring were 450 feet tall and ravished the planet eating everything in sight creating famine and war amongst normal sized people?
That God sent the flood to drown them and since they were hybrids their spirits have been allowed to remain on the earth as evil demons?
Enoch was simply one explanation of Genesis 6. Julius Africanus a man familiar with jewish thought writing in 180 ad wrote gave the 2 most notable opinions:

When men multiplied on the earth, the angels of heaven came together with the daughters of men. In some copies I found "the sons of God." What is meant by the Spirit, in my opinion, is that the descendants of Seth are called the sons of God on account of the righteous men and patriarchs who have sprung from him, even down to the Saviour Himself; but that the descendants of Cain are named the seed of men, as having nothing divine in them, on account of the wickedness of their race and the inequality of their nature, being a mixed people, and having stirred the indignation of God. But if it is thought that these refer to angels, we must take them to be those who deal with magic and jugglery, who taught the women the motions of the stars and the knowledge of things celestial, by whose power they conceived the giants as their children, by whom wickedness came to its height on the earth, until God decreed that the whole race of the living should perish in their impiety by the deluge.

Since you are being sincere it seems, I will say that yes I believe ENOCH - the human, and his testimony. That's all I will say.
 
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I believe certain elements of Enoch but not that an initial 200 angels had literal conjugal relations with human women spawning Giants. On the other hand It is plausible they in some spiritual form taught the men advanced technologies in metallurgy and taught the women applying cosmetics, the making of jewelry, potions and taught them astrology and this increased fornication on earth .
 
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I believe certain elements of Enoch but not that an initial 200 angels had literal conjugal relations with human women spawning Giants. On the other hand It is plausible they in some spiritual form taught the men advanced technologies in metallurgy and taught the women applying cosmetics, the making of jewelry, potions and taught them astrology and this increased fornication on earth .

Ok.
 
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Every time I ask for direct reference for where the Word of God Himself has said something doctrinal on these forums, it is always a problem. I'm done with playing around and, as you said, I am a guest here - though I didn't think there were any guests if you are a believer in the community of the Word of God.

Cheers.

it's not a problem. I simply asked for any historical evidence to support your claim. all you have done is simply given your opinion over and over again. I am not saying you are wrong per say, just asking for something a little more solid than your personal exegesis.
 
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I concur....lucid and poignant.
it's not a problem. I simply asked for any historical evidence to support your claim. all you have done is simply given your opinion over and over again. I am not saying you are wrong per say, just asking for something a little more solid than your personal exegesis.
Oh, ok.

Doesn't matter either way.
 
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I'm wondering if demonic possession is the explanation.
I think this is the best explanation (granted does not perfectly fit into the pseudographia). The giants were simply the result of sin and drug abuse and deformities.
For example in the book of Enoch its not only the women that were corrupted but the men as well.

1. (Angels) took unto themselves wives... and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. 2. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells...(ch 6)

These same fallen Angel's corrupted the males:
1. And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. 2. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their way (ch7)
The Book of Enoch: The Book of Enoch: Chapter IX
 
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