Orthodox Jews

[Achichem]

It says that unless one believes that the messiah has come and forgave you of your sins, one can not have eternal life.

What says that?

Have you ever tried to fulfill all 613 commandments in the Torah? We fail miserably. I've tried, and I can't.

Nope, but I hope to one day very soon

When I was 33, Messianic Jews prayed to HaShem for my auditory dyslexia to be healed. They ended the prayer with b'shem Yeshua HaMashiach Amen. I was healed. My sister was 20. she called me to tell me all about her concert she attended knowing full well that I wouldn't understand her anyhow. Imagine her surprise when I parroted back to her what she had told me. I was never able to do this before. I couldn't make sense of the sounds I heard to even guess at what word she had said. She cried. Now I ask you, how can HaShem even think of healing me when we just blasphemed His Name by attaching Yeshua to it.

I believe in yeshua the messiah too, but I don't think that takes HaShem or salvation away from faithful Jews, who statistically/theology speaking, act,believe and speak more like Yeshua then the majority of christians(messianics too for that matter).

Because I was healed, I had to conclude that Yeshua is one of the 3 parts of HaShem.

Not to dis you in anyway, but that is a very bad reason to believe.(IMO)

(Ruach Kodesh is a part because of what Rashi taught- ground HaShem walks on is Holy, Ruach mentioned in the Torah speaks of HaShem's Ruach and not Avraham's. Thus HaShem's Ruach must be Holy or Kodesh. Alvinu, Father, is the other part because in our Orthodox Siddurs we pray Alvinu Malchanu. Didn't HaShem create us? Isn't He our Father?

I think I agree with what your saying here too.

It also says that we need to be born again.

If you mean the Brit Hadashah then I would disagree.

This means that we have to accept the Messiah as well into our souls to reign with HaShem.

Not getting in to too much detail here, did King David accept the Messiah?
I say he did, maybe not in word(by which can lie and also insights hate,cures,blasphmy...) but in the heart(which true and is pure), and that is what matters.Why would this not still apply today?

 

[kyteroo]

What says that?
Nope, but I hope to one day very soon
I believe in yeshua the messiah too, but I don't think that takes HaShem or salvation away from faithful Jews, who statistically/theology speaking, act,believe and speak more like Yeshua then the majority of christians(messianics too for that matter).
Not to dis you in anyway, but that is a very bad reason to believe.(IMO)

I accepted Yeshua when I was 1 1/2. My point was that it proved the oneness of Yeshua with Hashem.
I think I agree with what your saying here too.
If you mean the Brit Hadashah then I would disagree.
Not getting in to too much detail here, did King David accept the Messiah?
I say he did, maybe not in word(by which can lie and also insights hate,cures,blasphmy...) but in the heart(which true and is pure), and that is what matters.Why would this not still apply today?

I believe the David, Avraham, Moshe, and others all believed. I believe the Yeshayahu actually understood Yeshua as the Mashiach more than most others, if not all others, apart from G-d Himself.
LOL (Both to clueless me)
kyteroo(I hope this post right, I am clueless!)

 

[sojeru]

kyteroo, you remind me very much of a friend that i used to have online- her name is Huda- a moslem, I figured that you were very much like her
1) by the way you do not know how to write English all that well. but this can fit anyone.
2) the way you are acting very undecided about "messianic" judaism and etc.
and it confirmed it for me when I saw that you mentioned moslems.

hey i could be wrong- but you very much remind me of the Saudi Arabian "peace train"
did you come here to rail up some trouble??
hmmmm???
I'll be watching

shalom u'bracha

 

[kyteroo]

I do not know what I typed to give that impression. However, I am very much a Messianic Jew. I just have learned how to reach out to the more stubborn Orthodox Jews. And Jews for Jesus is not how you till the land of a stubborn Orthodox Jewish heart. The Jews that they have been successful with are the ones whose heart ('land') had already been tilled. Often times, the Lord himself tills the land. He tilled mine when I was 1 1/2 years old. He revealed himself to me then.

I do admittedly, get confused on threads and what I need to respond too. So, forgive me If I am a little confgused. :lol: