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theseed said:
I'm not concerned with whether they are Baptists, but whether they are biblical. Also, Ryrie (baptist theologion) supports imputed sin as the Scriptures state (Rom. 5.18). We don't recieve just the consequences, but condemnation which comes from guilt which came from one man
Somehow I still think we agree.
Imputed sin..yes
consequences..yes
comdemnation...yes

However, unlike the Roman Catholic view which views Original Sin as a condition of inherited Guilt..namely Adam's sin and subsequent guilt which we inherit...( a view that both the eastern orthodox fathers and the reformers rejected by the way) I believe the scripture holds that after Adam's fall, man himself departed in soul from God and became unreceptive to the grace of God which was opened to him (total depravity?). We ceased to listen to God and to the Divine voice which calls us and this led to the futher deepeing of sin in us.

But God NEVER deprived mankind of his mercy, help, and grace. We hold to original sin but we do not hold to the Roman Catholic (via St. Augustine) postion of 'original guilt'. From Adam we have we have indeed inherited our tendency to sin, together with the death and corruption that are now part of our sinful nature; BUT WE HAVE NOT INHERITED THE GUILT OF ADAM'S PERSONAL SIN. Roman Catholics must baptise infants because they must be freed from the the guilt they carry of Adam's sin and the absence of sanctifying grace. In Roman Catholic theology baptism removes the guilt of Adam and imputes sanctifying grace. This, as a bible believing Christian I must reject.

In conclusion, original sin, as I understand it from scripture, is the sin of Adam, which was transmitted to his descendents and weighs upon them.

I hope we are not going around in circles here so this will be my last word on this topic. At least I think it will be.;)

God Bless.
 
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However, I do NOT buy into the Catholic notion that we're born somehow "corrupt" and thus their rationale for infant baptism. Sin is a choice we make, not an inheritance.

What we've inherited is the weakness to commit sin, NOT the sin itself. Thus, a baby, an innocent who makes NO choices, cannot have sin. He/she has the weakness, but hasn't matured enough to be able to make a choice to sin.

First, may God's blessings be upon all of you, my Baptist bretheren! Christ is risen and is our mutual hope!

A few Orthodox members and myself have been discussing this topic in the TAW thread, Original Sin . The above statement, though it states it is in disagreement with Catholic theology, is actually a good rendering of the Catholic Church's teachings. Here is a statement from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

404...original sin is called "sin" only in an analogical sense: it is a sin "contracted" and not "committed" - a state and not an act.

405 Although it is proper to each individual, 295 original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam's descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin - an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence". Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ's grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.

418 As a result of original sin, human nature is weakened in its powers, subject to ignorance, suffering and the domination of death, and inclined to sin (this inclination is called "concupiscence").


Though some theologians, including Augustine, have taught that guilt is inherited, it has never been an official Church teaching, instead it is in the realm of theological speculation.

The sin and the consequences are imputed, just not the guilt. Even the eastern orthodox christians hold to this. Otherwise we would need infant baptism to wipe away the guilt. If we died with the guilt we would be hell bound....but we do not hold to imputed 'guilt' ... Adam was guilty of his sin..I am guilty of mine.


I think you will find our discussion in TAW interesting, as it touches on these points. The Eastern Orthodox and Catholic Churches neither one teach that the guilt of Adam's personal sin was inherited, and each Church agrees that "Adam was guilty of his sin..I am guilty of mine."

I'll get out of here and leave you guys alone, now.

God bless,

Neal

 
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isshinwhat said:
"Adam was guilty of his sin..I am guilty of mine."
I think that very brief statement sums up my thoughts on it, as well. Excellent post.

If, however, this is the Catholic/Orthodox viewpoint, then why are babies considered guilty of sin and need to be baptized as soon as possible after birth? They cannot have yet commited an act of sin. They haven't the consciousness to do so. So what do they need cleansing from? (note: Baptist belief isn't that the baptismal waters are in any way cleansing, but they are representative of a change we've made internally to follow Jesus Christ, my use of that terminology is based on my understanding of Catholic baptism)

I fully believe that the weakess (even the Catechism uses my terminology! I find this interesting) is what is inherited. As you quoted, from the CCC "human nature is weakened in its powers...and inclined to sin." Inclined to sin. Not guilty of sin we didn't personally commit. Guilty of sin that we're sure to at some point commit, because of our weakness.

Sounds like my theology follows Catholic better than Baptist here. heh.

In response to theseed, I believe my theology here is 100% biblical. Whether you agree or not is your opinion. I have never tried to represent the body of Baptist-oriented Christians. The cornerstone of our beliefs are The Bible. I happen to agree more with the interpretation that I'm lead to understand after reading it repeatedly, in many versions, and many study notes. That doesn't mean my opinion cannot change, but I stand by it for now.

Addendum: I'd like to add that Charles Ryrie's theology does NOT represent the whole of Baptists beliefs. Ryrie is a Dispensationalist, and molds all of his theology around this idea. I do not subscribe to Dispensationalism. As soon as the Bible says there's such an idea, then I'll believe it. It is a man-made idea, not a God-made idea.

In other words, Catholics: Please don't read Ryrie and think he speaks for us.

God Bless,

James
 
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Street Preacher said:
The Bible says, "The heart is deceitfully wicked out of which flow all kinds of evils."

So if the heart is wicked, when did the heart become wicked?
Reference?...

The closest thing I can find is Jeremiah 17:9 which reads "The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it?" (NASB)

It goes on in 17:10 to say "I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give to each man according to his ways, According to the results of his deeds." (NASB)

... Not according to Adam's ways, according to his (each man's) ways ...

The heart is indeed deceitful, in that we let temptation get to us. We succumb to it... we are weak. Our hearts allow sin to enter. Sin that we commit. Not Adam's act. Adam's weakness.

-James
 
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Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Ps.58:3: "the wicked go astray from the womb, they err from their birth speaking lies.

Ps.51:5 David claimed that he was conceived in iniquity."

Job asks the question "What is man, that he could be pure? And he who is born of a woman, that he could be righteous?" (Job 15:14)

Job 25:4: "How then can man be righteous before God? Or how can he be pure who is born of a woman?"

Eph. 2:3: "Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."

If their is no sin nature passed on then we have the potential to be perfect by not doing any wrong. But there is no one who can do this as Paul states

Rom 3:10: "As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one" v.12 "They have all turned aside; they have together become unprofitable; there is none who does good, no, not one."

"The wages of sin is death." Sin is first and then the consequence is the payoff. Romans 5:18 -19 says, "through one man's trespass, judgment came to all men, for by one man's disobedience all were made sinners."



 
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So what do they need cleansing from?


Original Sin, but not in the sense as we would need cleansed from our personal sins. We believe Baptism does two things, first it cleanses one of their personal sins, but more importantly is places within the soul Sanctifying Grace which was lost for mankind at the Fall, and which is ultimately the cause of our sinful nature. Whereas we were created to dwell in Communion with God, trusting in Him for all things, we are born without that gift and seek after ourselves and our own fleshly desires, which counter the will of God. Baptism restores that life, and through it we are born again. We die with Christ and rise with Him into new life. So when someone or something says that "Baptism washes away Original Sin," what that means it has filled the soul with sanctifying grace.

In the case of infants, we believe the parents are tasked with raising their children in a Christian home. Though an infant is free from personal sins, they do lack sanctifying grace in their souls and are in need of renewal. As the parents are their guardians and in charge of their spiritual well-being before God, they make the statement of faith on behalf of the child, promising to raise him/her in as a Christian and the child is Baptized. The child's faith is on the parents' heads until he/she reaches the age of accounability and is responsible for his own soul.

God Bless,

Neal
 
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I've read the verses, and once again I'm quoted Romans 5:18-19. Sheesh.

I understand, I just think we disagree on mechanism here. I don't think anyone has the potential to be perfect by just "not doing anything wrong. We are FLAWED in nature. We are WEAK in nature. We are INCLINED to sin. When we receive consciousness to succumb to temptation, we WILL sin. We ARE weak, it will happen.

"for all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God" Romans 3:9

Our flawed nature guarantees we will sin. When Paul says "all have sinned" he doesn't mean "all have inherited sin"... he means SINNED... That's an act, not an inheritance.

The weakness, pre-destination, inclination, tendency to sin are inherited.

The physical act of eating the fruit was Adam's sin. Not my sin. But because of Adam's sin, I am inclined to sin. I am weak. I have sinned and I will continue to sin despite my efforts. I can only blame myself. I committed those sins. I failed to look to the Lord for strength to resist that sin. My weakness resulted in my own sin. But the sinful nature of the human race, inherited from Adam.

Perhaps this is just talking in circles, I don't know. I don't believe in inheriting the sins of my forefathers, nor do I think Scripture supports this. We have enough sin of our own to take responsibility for and to go to God through Jesus Christ to ask forgiveness for.

All that said and done, Jesus Christ sacrificed himself to wash these sins away. Every past and future sin of all who believe in Him. Isn't that what it all really comes down to?

-James
 
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Quote:

While all men are born with original sin, the propensity to sin; the person does not sin until there is disobedience to God's will...

Salvation is past, present, and future.
I was saved in the past by justification.
I am being saved in the present by sanctification,
and I will be saved in the future by glorification.

And what am I saved from?

In the past, I was saved from the penalty of sin.
In the present, I am saved from the power of sin,
and in the future, I will be saved from the very presence of sin.
 
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you could say that a perfect person (religiously), is one without sin, right? dont you think that if you weren't born with sin that in a sense you would be perfect, which just isnt possible? The OP came from BjBarnett going to church with me this weekend, and the preacher said "sin was etched into adam's soul". I've just always figured that if you weren't born with sin that it would make you perfect, and since i dont belive that, ive always believed in origianl sin. Does this make any sense to anyone else or am i just crazy?
 
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Crystal said:
Does this make any sense to anyone else or am i just crazy?

Yes, that makes perfect sense. Sin is best defined as anything that goes against the charactor of God. So, if we are sinners by nature, then by nature we are sin and sinful because we are against the charactor of God. Therefore, since we all agree that we are born with sin nature, then it's logical to say that we are against God's charactor--holiness.

And the guilt of Adam is imputed on the whole human reace, becuase the whole human race is condmned through Adam. But, with the imputed rightousness of Christ, we are made free of sin.
 
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Addendum: I'd like to add that Charles Ryrie's theology does NOT represent the whole of Baptists beliefs. Ryrie is a Dispensationalist, and molds all of his theology around this idea. I do not subscribe to Dispensationalism. As soon as the Bible says there's such an idea, then I'll believe it. It is a man-made idea, not a God-made idea

I know, I never claimed that dispensationalism was baptist theology. There is no baptist eschatology other than the Rapture and return of Christ.
 
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SouthCoast said:
Every past and future sin of all who believe in Him. Isn't that what it all really comes down to?
Yes, which is why I am confused about the whole infant baptism thing.
 
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theseed said:
Bronxbriar, imputed sin results in imputed guilt which explains the imputed condmenation.

As I bible believeing Christian, I see no conflict whatsoever with my baptists beliefs.
Dear sister, I never said there was a conflict. It is just that I formulate my position somewhat differently than you do.

We have guilt...the guilt of being sinners..but it is not the guilt of Adam's turning away from God..it is our own, which we have like a seed in us, that will sprout to full flower and except for the Grace of God we would wallow in our condemnation unto death. The imputed condemnation flows from the consequences of Adam's action and why we need to accept Jesus - believer's baptism.

If we still disagree, whether it be over semantics or scriptural understanding I hope we are still family.:hug:
 
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Bronxbriar said:
The imputed condemnation flows from the consequences of Adam's action and why we need to accept Jesus - believer's baptism.

That's not what I read, I read that the condemnation entered the entire human race because of one man's sin--therefore the whole human race is guilty. All of mankind is guilty (Rom. 5:16).

If we still disagree, whether it be over semantics or scriptural understanding I hope we are still family.

Our disagreement goes beyond semantics, we disagree theologically.

Dear sister

I'm a male. Look at at my male symbol in the top left of my post :doh:
 
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theseed said:
That's not what I read, I read that the condemnation entered the entire human race because of one man's sin--therefore the whole human race is guilty. All of mankind is guilty (Rom. 5:16).


I and others have stated our position on this so I see no need for repetition this late in the game




Our disagreement goes beyond semantics, we disagree theologically
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I did say "If we still disagree, whether it be over semantics or scriptural understanding..." That means theological last time I checked.




I'm a male. Look at at my male symbol in the top left of my post :doh:


My apologies for the gender recognition error.


FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND FURTHER DISCUSSION.

The Doctrine of Original Sin
by Steve Cowan, Pastor
Immanuel Baptist Church
Fayetteville, Arkansas

When one looks out into the world, one of the most startling observations is that of the universality of sin. There is not one culture, not even one person, that has gone without committing wrongful acts toward God and man. In history, of course, one is prone to notice the evil done by important figures such as Nero and Hitler. Yet these are merely extreme examples of what is obviously a common tendency among all people. Even the most virtuous persons have not acted virtuously in every instance. At some time, everyone has acted selfishly, maliciously, or impiously.
The Scriptures, too, attest to the universality of sin. The Apostle Paul writes that "there is no one righteous, not even one" (Rom. 3:10) and "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" (Rom. 3:23). I Kings 8:46 says that "there is no one who does not sin." There can be no doubt that experience and Scripture both teach that sin is a universal occurrence among human beings.
Why is it that sin is so prevalent? Why cannot we find even one exception, one person (besides Christ) who has not sinned? The answer to this question is found in the Church's doctrine of Original Sin. This brief essay will discuss the meaning of original sin as well as outline the various ways in which this doctrine has been understood in church history. One of these ways will be shown to be the best view in light of the biblical data.


The Meaning of "Original Sin"
Original Sin does not refer to the first (i.e., Adam's) sin. Rather, it refers to the result of that first sin. Adam was created righteous and in God's holy image (Gen. 1 and 2). He had, as Augustine explained long ago, a perfectly free will; he was able to choose either good or evil. Yet, Adam used his free choice to choose sin (Gen. 3:16). There is no explanation as to why he so chose. All one can know is that his choice was freely made. Neither God nor Satan forced him to sin.
As a result of Adam's sin, the whole human race has been plunged into darkness. Man's whole nature has been corrupted so that all men are predisposed toward, and guilty of, sin. This is what is meant by original sin. As Anthony Hoekema explains, original sin includes both guilt and pollution. The guilt aspect has to do with the fact that all of mankind somehow participates in the sin of Adam. How this happens will be discussed later, but suffice it to say now that all men stand condemned before God because of the guilt they share with Adam. Scripture makes this abundantly clear in Romans 5:14-19. Paul writes that "death reigned from the time of Adam...even over those who did not sin by breaking a command" (v. 14); "the judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation (on all)" (v. 16); "the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men" (v. 18); and "through the disobedience of the one man, many were made sinners" (v. 19). Also in I Corinthians 15:22 Paul writes, "in Adam all die." All of this shows that the spiritual and physical death suffered as a consequence of sin has been applied to all men because of Adam's one sin. This does not mean that Adam's descendants are being unduly held accountable for his sin. What is being said is that in some way (which, again, will be discussed later) all men participated in Adam's sin so that all are actually guilty.
The pollution aspect of original sin concerns man's sinful nature. This is the aspect that accounts for the universality of sin. Because of the Fall, man is no longer both able to sin and able to not sin. He is only able to sin. The entire inclination of his being is toward sin and rebellion. Man, as Calvin claimed, is "totally depraved." Jeremiah asserts that "the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt" (Jer. 17:9; see also Mk. 7:21-23). Paul declares: "All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is none good, not even one" (Rom. 3:12, Ps. 14:2-3). Unregenerate men are slaves to sin (Rom. 6:17, 20; John 8:34). By his very nature, man is an object of divine wrath (Eph. 2:3). Furthermore, man's mind has been corrupted (Eph. 4:18), and he cannot understand the things of God (I Cor. 2:14). This inherent corruption in man exists from the very first moment of his existence. David claimed he was "sinful from the time my mother conceived me" (Ps. 51:5), and Genesis 8:21 affirms that "man's heart is evil from his youth."
Of course, when it is said that man is totally depraved, this should not be taken to mean that people never do anything positive or good, or that one is always as bad as he could possibly be. All people occasionally do things that benefit others. What total depravity means is that even man's righteous deeds "are as filthy rags" (Is. 64:6). Nothing is done without some taint of sin; of what Jonathan Edwards called "enlightened self-interest." A person may do some outwardly good deed, but deep in his heart there is some motivating factor that serves the self. He does the good deed because it is expedient for himself at the time. Thus, for a deed to be truly good, in an ultimate sense, one's motives must also be good. Motivation is the crucial point at which everyone fails.
This problem of apparent "good" deeds can also be explained by the fact that man tends to describe goodness in relative rather than absolute terms. A man is said to be good relative to other men. For example, compared to Adolf Hitler, it would be fair to say that Winston Churchill was a good man. However, the Bible speaks of goodness relative to God. Compared to Him, no man, no matter how praise-worthy his actions, can be called good (c.f. Lk. 18:19).
So, the Biblical view of Fallen Man is that he exists in a state of moral corruption. His whole being is inclined toward sin so that he is unable, in his own power, to please or know God. He cannot even choose God of his own volition (John 6:44,65).

The Pelagian Heresy
The Doctrine of Original Sin, as outlined above, has not gone unchallenged, however. Perhaps the strongest opposing view (and one which often recurs today) was put forth by a British monk named Pelagius in the early fifth century. His view could be called the "imitation" or "sociological" theory of original sin. In actuality, this is not a theory of original sin at all, but simply an attempt to explain the universality of sin without involving Adam's descendants in their father's evil act. Pelagius held that Adam's fall did not pollute his descendants, nor were they guilty of his sin. Each person is born innocent just as Adam was, and is free to sin or not sin as he wills. The fact that all people do in fact sin is due to the bad example that Adam set for mankind. Every person inevitably imitates Adam's transgressions because he is born into an environment permeated by the sin of his predecessors. Pelagius was drawn to this view because he felt that original sin lead logically to the idea that mankind is unjustly punished for the sin of another. Therefore, he taught that each person started life in innocence and then sinned on his own before being condemned by God.
Nevertheless, the imitation theory must be rejected. There are several reasons for this:
1) It is contrary to Scripture. Nothing could be plainer in the Scriptures than the corporate solidarity of all mankind in the sin of Adam. The crux of the argument between Pelagius and Augustine on this matter revolved around the interpretation of the last phrase in Romans 5:12: "Because all sinned." Pelagius said that this phrase indicated that death came to all men because all men sinned on their own. Augustine believed it meant that all died because all sinned in Adam. Though there is nothing in the grammar of this phrase to preclude the Pelagian interpretation, the context clearly demands the Augustinian position. In verses 13 and 14 Paul states that death reigned over those "who had not sinned." On five occasions in verses 15 through 19, Paul asserts that condemnation comes to all men because of the one sin of the one man, Adam. Furthermore, throughout this passage, Paul is drawing an analogy between the righteousness imputed to believers because of the obedience of Christ and the death imputed to mankind because of Adam's disobedience. What is the point of this analogy if we do not really sin in Adam, but we are made righteous in Christ, the Second Adam?
2) It cannot account for the death of infants. If everyone is born innocent, and death is a punishment for sin, then there is no reason for infants (who have not sinned) to die. Yet, it is a fact that infants do die. This does not necessarily imply that deceased infants must go to Hell on the traditional view of original sin. It is possible that there is a special provision of God's grace for people who have not actually sinned. Nevertheless, the death of infants can only be explained if we assume they are not innocent of sin.
3) It begs the question. As R.C. Sproul points out, if everyone is born innocent, one ought to expect exceptions to the "universality" of sin. Why is it that no one ever chooses obedience if all are born with a neutral disposition? The appeal to societal influences (or imitation) is inadequate. How can society corrupt every individual until it becomes corrupt itself? And how can it become corrupt if there are some uncorrupt people who would choose not to corrupt it?
How, then, is Adam's sin imputed to all men? How is it that everyone is said to have participated in it? The two most prominent theories in this regard are the realist theory and the federal theory (sometimes called the "representative" or "direct imputation" theory).

The Realist Theory
Realism was held by Augustine and, perhaps, Calvin. It seeks to avoid, like Pelagius, the idea that someone can be held accountable for another's sin. Briefly stated, it claims that the guilt of Adam's sin is rightly charged to all men because all were actually present in Adam when he did it. Everyone, genetically speaking, was there in the loins of Adam. Therefore, since Adam physically encompassed all of his posterity, they are all guilty of his sin. Biblical support for this view is found in Hebrews 7:9-10, where Levi is said to have paid tithes to Melchizedek because he was "in the body of his ancestor."
There are several problems with realism, however:
1) Hebrews 7:9-10 does not explicitly support this view. The author of the epistle qualifies his statement regarding Levi with the words "so to speak" (NASB), implying that his language is figurative rather than literal.
2) Realism does not really solve the problem of the relation between Adam's sin and his posterity. Even proponents of the view do not believe that everyone was present in Adam's body as individuals, nor do they participate in his sin personally. So, how can the whole human race really be guilty?
3) The analogy between Christ and Adam vitiates the realist theory. If there is no "realistic" or "genetic" connection between Christ and mankind, why must there be one between Adam and mankind? Everyone is not descended from Christ physically, yet his righteousness can be imputed to believers. Therefore, there need not be a realistic theory to account for the imputation of sin.

The Federal View
The federal theory is the only view that does true justice to the Biblical material. This view holds that when Adam sinned, he was acting as the legal representative of all mankind. He stands at the head of the human race as the prototype man. It is not without significance, therefore, that the name "Adam" is not only the first man's proper name, but can also denote "mankind" generally. Adam represents all men in the same way that an elected official is said to represent his constituents. He acts of their behalf, so that his "vote" in favor of sin was everyone's vote. Therefore, God imputes the consequences of Adam's sin--guilt and pollution--to all of his posterity. On this view, all of the Biblical statements about all sinning in Adam can be taken seriously, and without resorting to a realistic interpretation. We truly participated in Adam's sin, but in a representative rather that actual sense. The guilt mankind incurs is applied forensically and judicially.
The chief objection against this theory is that it is not fair. God would be unjust to let one man represent mankind on so serious an issue. Each person ought to stand on his own. This objection can be answered in two ways.
1) It assumes that God cannot choose a perfect representative. When voters choose someone to represent them the delegate may not accurately portray their views. When God chooses, however, one can be assured that He will choose someone who will perfectly represent his constituents. Adam acted as any man would have acted. To believe otherwise only reflects the extreme arrogance of fallen men.
2) It abrogates the analogy between Christ and Adam. Paul claims that "as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive" (I Cor. 15:22). If it is wrong for Adam to represent mankind in the Garden, it is wrong for Christ to represent them on the cross. If each man must stand on his own in regard to the Fall, then each man must stand on his own in regard to salvation. That means that each man must work for his redemption--a clear repudiation of the Biblical teaching on salvation by grace alone.

Conclusion
The Doctrine of Original Sin is an important aspect of Christian theology. It helps the believer understand the cause for the universality of sin and the way in which everyone inherits the guilt and sinful nature of Adam. It also shows man's need for redemption in Christ. Paul could not have said it better when he wrote: "For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous" (Rom 5:19).
 
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Bronxbriar said:
I and others have stated our position on this so I see no need for repetition this late in the game
Nor do I. We shall simply disagree. I looked over your "cut and paste".

I agree most with the federalist view. I also notice that the author states that we get both guilt and nature form Adam.


I have said all along that Adams sin is imputed on the whole human race. Therefore, becasue of Adam's sin, the whole human race is guilty. Imputation does not require heredity. It is arbitrary.

And I have more scirptural proof that God does punish us for our ancestors sins.

Exodus 20
4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,


Of course, this says only to the 3rd and 4th generation, nevertheless, it shows that my position of imputed guilt has validity on the grounds that God does operate that way.
 
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