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PreachersWife2004

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All you can do now then, it seems, is just give it up to the Lord and listen for His guidance.:)

Either way, I'll be prayin for ya!!

Thank you for your prayers. They are much needed!!
 
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She had an affair and has abused her children in the past. She has a pretty stinky attitude towards life in general, I guess.

I am pretty tight with her husband and her family. By proxy, I am friends with her.

I remember watching ER, and this old guy needed a kidney because he drank his to death. After getting the kidney, he was reprimanded for having a glass of champagne, but the man was celebrating his son's promotion.

On the one level, I would think, "Why should I give my healthy kidneys to someone who can't take care of his own?" But I now no longer think it is my place to really care about what the person does. If someone asks for spare change and is homeless, I can either say, Sorry, I can buy him food if I really don't want him to use the change for beer, or I can give him the money, doing my part, and buying food his own responsibility.

This is what I think is the true meaning of Tough Love, because you have to give love, maybe even a kidney, to someone without demanding that they earn it. And that's hard. That's why I have to constantly be asking for more love, to be more loving.

Would I blame you for saying no? Never.
Would I recommend that you say no? I would recommend that you pray about it to God, voice your concern, and then sit in silence meditating, listening for an answer.

But either way, I personally refuse to make any judgement against you on this one, because I can't surely say which I would do. Too bad we don't have two hearts, and that you could transfer one of yours.
 
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Thank you for your prayers. They are much needed!!

If you don't mind, I will pray for you as well, and ask God to grant you some mercy for yourself, because I can tell that you are struggling with this, as anyone would be. Cut yourself some slack. We are talking about taking one of your organs, and the reason you have two? In case one goes, you have a spare. This is a bit like giving a person that you don't like much your spare tire before driving home for 2000 miles. The spare is there for a reason.

My guess for God's answer?

You decide, and I (God) will support your decision.
 
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She had an affair and has abused her children in the past. She has a pretty stinky attitude towards life in general, I guess.



I am pretty tight with her husband and her family. By proxy, I am friends with her.


I have no pity for anybody who would knowningly harm a child.

In your case, I'd say no to giving away your organ.
 
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Where is this woman on the waiting list for a cadaver kidney? People can survive on dialysis for years, and if she is roughly a year away from getting a cadaver kidney, you aren't endangering her life by saying "no."

Does she have a rare blood type that makes it more difficult for her to get a kidney? If that's the case, I would feel more obligated to help.

If she has a common blood type and there is a good probability she will get a cadaver kidney within a reasonable period of time, I would probably say "no."
 
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Because of the nature of her illness, a live kidney is needed, although yes, she is on the list for a cadaver kidney that would be used as a temporary kidney.

Her extended family isn't helping, and while some have a valid excuse (blood types and all that) the others say they just want their kidney.

There's a part of me that wonders if her attitude would change if she received this from me, especially from someone she's not really close to and someone who has expressed my dislike of more than once to her face. I think that's my stickler.

Sometimes all it takes is one act of kindness for someone to see the error in their ways.

Where is this woman on the waiting list for a cadaver kidney? People can survive on dialysis for years, and if she is roughly a year away from getting a cadaver kidney, you aren't endangering her life by saying "no."

Does she have a rare blood type that makes it more difficult for her to get a kidney? If that's the case, I would feel more obligated to help.

If she has a common blood type and there is a good probability she will get a cadaver kidney within a reasonable period of time, I would probably say "no."
 
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If you're a consistent pro-lifer then you're for the government forcing you to donate the kidney. It's the same thing as forcing a woman to share her biological resources with an unborn human.

What does this have to do with the price of tea in china?

We're not talking about forced organ donation here. Start your own topic if that's what you want to talk about.

And if she doesn't change? And when did it become your responsibility to make her a better person?

It's not my responsibility.

There was an old man in our church, incredibly crotchety, rude, but he showed up every Sunday, sat in the same pew, and sassed someone if they sat in his pew. If you said good morning to him he either ignored you or said something like "it was until you talked to me!"

No one liked this guy, for obvious reasons.

One day, my son, who was 6 or 7 at the time, drew a picture during church. After church as we were greeting the pastor my little guy broke away from me and delivered the picture to the grumpy man. I was horrified. I wondered what this old man was going to say to my little kid. The man left without saying anything.

The following week, he said hello to my son and gave him a wooden train whistle. The week after that, he brought my son a wooden puzzle. And he said good morning to me.

Long story short, the man had lost his wife in a horrendous accident some years back. The church that he had been a member at did nothing for him, the pastor didn't even offer to do the service. He came to our church just looking to hear God's word and go his way. He didn't want to talk to anyone because the hurt he had felt from his old congregation was still raw, even after all these years.

I asked him what the picture was that my son drew. He seemed rather surprised at the question - but I honestly hadn't seen the picture. He took it out of his back pocket and unfolded it. It was the worst picture I'd ever seen, but the writing on it said that it was the man in the fourth pew walking with God. It looked like two potato heads, but y'all get my point.

That old man passed away not too long after that incident, but he was a changed man.

And why? because one person showed kindness towards him, even when he wasn't kind to anyone else.
 
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I appreciate your story and its a really sweet one. However this is major surgery.

Trust me, no one knows that better than me! ;)

If someone I knew came up to me and said "I know someone who needs a kidney and you're a match, can you help her?" I'd probably do it - simply because the people who would ask this of me are good friends and they know my heart. This knowing about the person that it would be going to is difficult.
 
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Trust me, no one knows that better than me! ;)

If someone I knew came up to me and said "I know someone who needs a kidney and you're a match, can you help her?" I'd probably do it - simply because the people who would ask this of me are good friends and they know my heart. This knowing about the person that it would be going to is difficult.

I think most people would help a friend, or offer help to someone is a nice person. On another site, I had "christians" call me some of the most offensive names I have ever heard, and I have heard some vulgar ones in my life, and Romans 12 says that I should return curse with blessing. And my human instinct says, "Why should I offer blessing to a jerk who just insulted me?"

But it strengthened me. I used to ask God why I had to endure this, online and off, and in response, was expected to love people who hated me when they didn't even know my name, or had spoken to me in person. It wasn't for their benefit as much as it was mine. It was to show me REAL tough love. As the Gospel says, anyone loves those that love them, but loving those who don't love you is REAL love.

So, you only want to consider this operation and offer your organ if they deserve it. It's conditional love. It's normal. Who among us doesn't know that feeling.

Did you earn Salvation, and only then, would Jesus sacrifice himself for you?
Did you have to do something before God would love you? Or was all of that offered first, in hopes that you would do so for your neighbor?

It's tough. That's tough love. It's hard. It's difficult. It goes against everything the World says you should do. You have to humble yourself when the World stresses being the top. It says you must offer love, offer generosity, for its own sake, when the World demand Tit for Tat. It challenges you to love everyone, not just those who love you, but your enemies, too, and understand that they, too, are loved by God, and probably need God more than anyone.

So, this is a challenge. If you aren't up for it, there will be others. You will have to offer compassion to someone who badmouthed you, but had their heart broken, and needs someone's help. You will have an opportunity to help a neighbor that would never even hold the door open for you if your arms were full of groceries. You will have to be patient to a friend who is an hour late that explodes if you are 5 minutes late.

It's a process, and you get to draw the line, and say, "no, I'm sorry. That's asking too much." And tomorrow, another challenge awaits to help your love grow.

I honestly don't know what I would do. I think I would confront the person. I would say, "You know what? I'm a match. I can help you. I just don't know if I want to. I would have to think about it long and hard even if it was my brother or friend I loved dearly. It would still be asking a lot of me, so, you, having done some really terrible things, is kind of like burning your bridges, and then asking me to build you a bridge now. What am I going to do? I don't know. My faith says that I should offer it because I should love my neighbor as myself. My being, though, says, "Why should I? You've done terrible things to others, so now it is coming back on you, your own karma. Your actions have a reaction. You alienated others, then turn to us and ask us for help. Yes, I can, but I don't know if I want to, and we both know you don't deserve it. Now, sleep on that, knowing that a lot of my decision is based on your own actions, a fate you have created yourself."

So, ask yourself this: Could you live with yourself if you said, No, sorry?
If yes, then no is a pretty good option. If you couldn't, then you can say no, and live with the heaviness of heart.

Don't they sell organs on eBay, anyway?

Our prayers are with you. I don't blame you either way, and neither should you.
 
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Having only one kidney puts me in a dicey situation, should I later have an injury, or develop some serious problem in my one remaining organ. It's my first responsibility to be as healthy as possible for my own family, who depend on me for support. I would certainly consider donating something like bone marrow, but I can't see donating an irreplaceable organ to someone not in my family, let alone someone to whom I'm not close. If I felt duty-bound to help, I'd give him money, or help in any other way to support him or his family during his illness.

This seems like good analysis and I congratulate you on being rather eloquent and accurate.

If I had a lot of money, I would pay you $10 on PayPal with a note that said "Good job."

You summed up my opinion well.

I will be 'giving you reputation.'
 
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