Ordinances...

[ZealouS]

From what I have seen, the LDS put their biggest emphasis on their churches ordinances. I would like to hear what you feel are the most important ordinances, teachings, ect. and what makes them mean so much to you on a personal level. I look forward to your responses and hope to understand the LDS people and their reasons for believing the things they believe a little better.

Thank you,
Jed

 

[Guyver]

From what I have seen, the LDS put their biggest emphasis on their churches ordinances. I would like to hear what you feel are the most important ordinances, teachings, ect. and what makes them mean so much to you on a personal level. I look forward to your responses and hope to understand the LDS people and their reasons for believing the things they believe a little better.

Thank you,
Jed

Two things

"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself."

That's it.

 

[ZealouS]

Those are the two ordinances I accept as complete truth but I am curious to see what ordinances the LDS church puts the greatest emphasis on.

 

[EchoPneuma]

Two things

"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself."

That's it.

Then why wouldn't a Buddhist be saved? They believe exactly the same thing. They say that the two greatest virtues are to love God with all your soul and to love your fellow man as yourself. I see them practice this very much in their lives. So are they saved too?

 

[Guyver]

Then why wouldn't a Buddhist be saved? They believe exactly the same thing. They say that the two greatest virtues are to love God with all your soul and to love your fellow man as yourself. I see them practice this very much in their lives. So are they saved too?

Who said anything about being saved the OP asked what are the most important ordinances, although what I quoted are not ordinances per say they are the two most important commandments to do according to Christ.

 

[kdlds]

From what I have seen, the LDS put their biggest emphasis on their churches ordinances. I would like to hear what you feel are the most important ordinances, teachings, ect. and what makes them mean so much to you on a personal level. I look forward to your responses and hope to understand the LDS people and their reasons for believing the things they believe a little better.

Thank you,
Jed

4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
(The Articles of Faith :4)

 

[EchoPneuma]

Who said anything about being saved the OP asked what are the most important ordinances, although what I quoted are not ordinances per say they are the two most important commandments to do according to Christ.

Ok, then if they are the two greatest commands according to Jesus and He said that ALL THE OTHERS hang on those two.....and the Buddhists obey those two....then wouldn't they be saved? Wouldn't they inherit eternal life according to Jesus? He DID say to the teacher of the law in Luke 10....

25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"


26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

29But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?"

Then Jesus tells the parable of the good Samaritan. So Jesus said to inherit eternal life you must do those two commands. So if a Buddhist does them.....won't they inherit eternal life according to Jesus??

 

[ZealouS]

Weither or not a buddhist is saved or not is up to God. So no man here can judge their salvation no matter what they think they know. That being said, I think we should all ask which God a buddhist worships and which God are they loving? Is it the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob? The Father of Yeshua the Messiah? These are important questions to ask because which God you are loving and following is probabley the most important thing.

If you love the God of the Bible, you will not bow down before graven images. I know that Buddhist's are big on their idols so this would be one area to examine. The God of the Bible is so complex he ordered no graven image to exist because he was be known through the word and only through the word. No images because nothing in heaven above or in the earth below can resemble God.

That being said, I would like to get back to the OP that was directed at LDS members.

Christ guide your steps,
Jed

 

[EchoPneuma]

Weither or not a buddhist is saved or not is up to God. So no man here can judge their salvation no matter what they think they know. That being said, I think we should all ask which God a buddhist worships and which God are they loving? Is it the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob? The Father of Yeshua the Messiah? These are important questions to ask because which God you are loving and following is probabley the most important thing.

If you love the God of the Bible, you will not bow down before graven images. I know that Buddhist's are big on their idols so this would be one area to examine. The God of the Bible is so complex he ordered no graven image to exist because he was be known through the word and only through the word. No images because nothing in heaven above or in the earth below can resemble God.

That being said, I would like to get back to the OP that was directed at LDS members.

Christ guide your steps,
Jed

Sorry, didn't mean to derail. Just begging a question. Back to the OP.

 

[jeffC]

I think that the sacrament (Eucharist for anyone not current on LDS lingo) is the most important ordinance. For LDS, the sacrament renews the covenants made during the ordinance of baptism, and also renews the blessings of baptism.

Ordinances are more than commandments, in my view. (Even thought they are themselves also commandments).

 

[ZealouS]

What do you feel makes an ordinance superior to a commandment?

Jed

 

[Ran77]

Two things

"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself."

That's it.

LDS do not consider either of these to be ordinances. They would be the two great commandments though.

 

[Ran77]

From what I have seen, the LDS put their biggest emphasis on their churches ordinances. I would like to hear what you feel are the most important ordinances, teachings, ect. and what makes them mean so much to you on a personal level. I look forward to your responses and hope to understand the LDS people and their reasons for believing the things they believe a little better.

Since the title of the thread is ordinances, I will stick to that and not go into which I feel are the most important teachings.

How do you determine which of them are the most important? In our view, they are all necessary and important to obtaining Eternal Life. If all are necessary, how can you pick one or two that are most important?

Perhaps you could base it on progression. You begin with Baptism and the Laying on of Hands. From that point, there is the weekly ordinance of the Sacrament. For the men there are a series of ordinations to the priesthood. Then there are the endowments and temple marriage. For eternal life all of these are necessary.

 

[jeffC]

Since the title of the thread is ordinances, I will stick to that and not go into which I feel are the most important teachings.

How do you determine which of them are the most important? In our view, they are all necessary and important to obtaining Eternal Life. If all are necessary, how can you pick one or two that are most important?

Perhaps you could base it on progression. You begin with Baptism and the Laying on of Hands. From that point, there is the weekly ordinance of the Sacrament. For the men there are a series of ordinations to the priesthood. Then there are the endowments and temple marriage. For eternal life all of these are necessary.

Good point.

 

[jeffC]

What do you feel makes an ordinance superior to a commandment?

Jed

I didn't intend the word "more" in the sence of superior, only that there is a unique covenant relationship involved with ordinances such that they are distinguished from commandments in general. However, they are commandments of primary importance since salvation depends on them. One way of looking at them would be that ordinances are necessary but not sufficient for salvation. I think any commandment given from God is equally important to follow, though.

 

[ZealouS]

In your opinion Ran, what is the diffrence between an ordinance and a commandment?

And why do you feel that the word ordinance is not used in the New Testament? (I ran a search and I didn't find the word so if you do happen to find it, point it out to me)

Thank you for the information you have provided thus far. In your churches or even your personal opinion, does the Holy Spirit only comes after one is baptized? I assume the pupose of laying on of hands is to recieve the Holy Spirit so that is why I ask this question.

By the way, feel free to point out what you feel are the most important teachings as well. I would like to see what you feel are the most important teachings.

Thank you,
Jed

 

[ZealouS]

I didn't intend the word "more" in the sence of superior, only that there is a unique covenant relationship involved with ordinances such that they are distinguished from commandments in general. However, they are commandments of primary importance since salvation depends on them. One way of looking at them would be that ordinances are necessary but not sufficient for salvation. I think any commandment given from God is equally important to follow, though.

So it would appear that your saying that commandments determine salvation while ordinances are not sufficient alone for salvation. However, ordinances are exclusive to the LDS church and show that that the LDS church is the true church. Correct?

Thank you,
Jed

 

[Swart]

In your opinion Ran, what is the diffrence between an ordinance and a commandment?

An ordinance is something performed under by authourity of the Priesthood. Thus baptism is an ordinance, but faith is not an ordinance.

And why do you feel that the word ordinance is not used in the New Testament? (I ran a search and I didn't find the word so if you do happen to find it, point it out to me)

[BIBLE]Luke 1:6[/BIBLE]
[BIBLE]Romans 13:2[/BIBLE]
[BIBLE]1 Corinthians 11:2[/BIBLE]

Thank you for the information you have provided thus far. In your churches or even your personal opinion, does the Holy Spirit only comes after one is baptized?

No, the gift of the HG comes from the laying on of hands after baptism. The HG is not subject to law and can work with anyone in order to testify of truth. In addition, the HG will accompany anyone who has their heart set upon Christ.

If we believed differently, we wouldn't rely upon the HG to testify that the BoM is the word of God.

I assume the pupose of laying on of hands is to recieve the Holy Spirit so that is why I ask this question.

When someone receives the Gift of the HG, they have it as a constant companion. They also receive spiritual gifts individually or severally according to their needs. This is one of the key indicators of the reception of the HG. If a person does not receive a spiritual gift, they have not received the GotHG.

However, it may take someome some time to discover and develop that gift.

By the way, feel free to point out what you feel are the most important teachings as well. I would like to see what you feel are the most important teachings.

In spite of everything that has been said, I still maintain the most important knowledge a person can gain in this life is the knowledge that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, and that He is the Saviour of the world and the only name by which a person can enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

All other knowledge is second to this.

The only reason for the existence of the Church of Jesus Christ is to fulfill the three-fold mission:

1. To Proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ
2. To Perfect the Saints
3. To Redeem the Dead

 

[Blackmarch]

From what I have seen, the LDS put their biggest emphasis on their churches ordinances. I would like to hear what you feel are the most important ordinances, teachings, ect. and what makes them mean so much to you on a personal level. I look forward to your responses and hope to understand the LDS people and their reasons for believing the things they believe a little better.

Thank you,
Jed

Ordinances are special times of covenant making/renewal that are sealed with God's authority. They are all special to me.. although at this time the most significant would be the Sacrament/communion. Symbolising Christ's atonement, and the renewal of covenants made.

 

[Tawhano]

When someone receives the Gift of the HG, they have it as a constant companion. They also receive spiritual gifts individually or severally according to their needs. This is one of the key indicators of the reception of the HG. If a person does not receive a spiritual gift, they have not received the GotHG.
However, it may take someome some time to discover and develop that gift.

How do you explain people like Smith Wigglesworth then?

In 1 Cor. 12:1 we read, "Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant." There is a great weakness in the church of Christ because of an awful ignorance concerning the Spirit of God and the gifts He has come to bring. God would have us powerful on all lines because of the revelation of the knowledge of His will concerning the power and manifestation of His Spirit. He would have us ever hungry to receive more and more of His Spirit...
...God would have us to understand concerning spiritual gifts and to covet earnestly the best gifts, and also to enter into the more excellent way of the fruit of the Spirit. We must beseech God for these gifts. It is a serious thing to have the Baptism and yet be stationary; to live two days in succession on the same spiritual plane is a tragedy. We must be willing to deny ourselves everything to receive the revelation of God's truth and to receive the fullness of the Spirit. Only that will satisfy God, and nothing less must satisfy us...(Smith Wigglesworth:Ever Increasing Faith)