Ordered another gun...

[Servant68]

Did not really need one and had no plans to purchase anything for quite some time but was intrigued by the offer.

Someone on one of the many gun forums I'm on posted a link to a dealer that was selling the Taurus G2c in 9mm for $199.

The G2c is the revamped and slightly modified version of the PT111 Millenium.

On the gun forum, the original poster raved about his new pistol and opined that it was every bit as good as his Glock 26. That resulted in hundreds of responses both for and against the Taurus.

What I was able to glean from all of the arguing was that Taurus has a newer CEO that has really stepped up quality and the G2c really is a very good pistol.

Since I sold my pistol that I typically let new shooters use, I needed a replacement.

I went to the website and they were sold out. I found them on Bud's Gun Shop site for $209 and ordered one.

It's supposed to arrive today at my FFL so hopefully I can take it to the range this weekend and see how it does.

 

[Casey Harmon]

Looks like a nice one!

 

[Phil 1:21]

Sounds like a good deal.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Good deal indeed. In my experience (long time ago) Taurus were well made. They were looked down upon because they were not American or Northern European manufacture. The only recent experience I have is with a buddies "Judge"; very well built and very cool too! We have not seen the "c" in Canada as the barrel length makes them prohibited. The 24/7 G2 is available here, and sells for about $550.00 Canadian. Both this pistol and the 809 and 840 have great reputations up here, and these sell for about $520.00 Canadian.

 

[marineimaging]

Did not really need one and had no plans to purchase anything for quite some time but was intrigued by the offer.

Someone on one of the many gun forums I'm on posted a link to a dealer that was selling the Taurus G2c in 9mm for $199.

The G2c is the revamped and slightly modified version of the PT111 Millenium.

On the gun forum, the original poster raved about his new pistol and opined that it was every bit as good as his Glock 26. That resulted in hundreds of responses both for and against the Taurus.

What I was able to glean from all of the arguing was that Taurus has a newer CEO that has really stepped up quality and the G2c really is a very good pistol.

Since I sold my pistol that I typically let new shooters use, I needed a replacement.

I went to the website and they were sold out. I found them on Bud's Gun Shop site for $209 and ordered one.

It's supposed to arrive today at my FFL so hopefully I can take it to the range this weekend and see how it does.

I have the PT111-G2 9mm and here is my experience. First, keep in mind that the G2 is a little bit bulkier [double stack], sharper edged, and heavier than the XDS .45 but not really bad at all when compared to my full size 9mm Ruger or PT101P. I carried the XDS .45 for about a year and if fit my body really good. Even though I knew that the 3.3" barrel was not good for long range I pretty much kept it in mind that I would not engage outside of 15-20 feet with it. Meanwhile, I carried the G2 loaded with 124grn Speer Gold Dot's in my truck safe as a backup for when I forgot my .45.

Last weekend after shooting and adjusting the scopes on my rifles I decided to run some fast draw drills with the .45. Knowing better but anyway I started out at 25 yards just to see what I could do. 3 shots at 25 yards, not even on paper. I couldn't even tell where the rounds were hitting. As I said I wasn't going to shoot that far anyway so I walked half way to the target or about 12 yards 36 feet. Then I noticed the rounds were hitting about 3 - 5 yards in front of the target. Then something hit me. I carry this .45 in church. If someone came in shooting at church they would have to enter one of two doors. These were more like the 25 yards than 25 feet from where we sit. If everybody in the congregation hit the floor on an active shooter situation and I were to have engaged them from my position, God forbid! My rounds would have hit my own people according to the way it was shooting. My heart was in my throat. I can't have this.

I went and grabbed the G2 with a magazine full of the Gold Dots and started at about 15 feet. Three shots and three bulls eyes. I backed up another 10 feet. 3 shots, one in the 8 and two 9. Getting brave I walked back to the 25 yard line and finished the magazine. 7 shots. All into the outer ring of the target with most inside the 8 ring. Needless to say, I now carry the G2 full time. It might be a little bulkier than the .45 but I have 5 more rounds at my disposal and absolute confidence in that if a murderous, evil, hate filled, un-Godly shooter entered one of our doors with the idea of killing all of my extended Church family, I would and could bring that to a quick end.

So, this is as much about ammo as it is with any new gun. If we start with cheap ammo we can expect cheap results. If we make our decision to carry it then we need to make sure we judge our abilities by shooting exactly the ammo we intend to carry. It might be expensive to run tests until certain, but our extended family and friends are definitely worth it.

 

[Phil 1:21]

I have the PT111-G2 9mm and here is my experience. First, keep in mind that the G2 is a little bit bulkier [double stack], sharper edged, and heavier than the XDS .45 but not really bad at all when compared to my full size 9mm Ruger or PT101P. I carried the XDS .45 for about a year and if fit my body really good. Even though I knew that the 3.3" barrel was not good for long range I pretty much kept it in mind that I would not engage outside of 15-20 feet with it. Meanwhile, I carried the G2 loaded with 124grn Speer Gold Dot's in my truck safe as a backup for when I forgot my .45.

Last weekend after shooting and adjusting the scopes on my rifles I decided to run some fast draw drills with the .45. Knowing better but anyway I started out at 25 yards just to see what I could do. 3 shots at 25 yards, not even on paper. I couldn't even tell where the rounds were hitting. As I said I wasn't going to shoot that far anyway so I walked half way to the target or about 12 yards 36 feet. Then I noticed the rounds were hitting about 3 - 5 yards in front of the target. Then something hit me. I carry this .45 in church. If someone came in shooting at church they would have to enter one of two doors. These were more like the 25 yards than 25 feet from where we sit. If everybody in the congregation hit the floor on an active shooter situation and I were to have engaged them from my position, God forbid! My rounds would have hit my own people according to the way it was shooting. My heart was in my throat. I can't have this.

I went and grabbed the G2 with a magazine full of the Gold Dots and started at about 15 feet. Three shots and three bulls eyes. I backed up another 10 feet. 3 shots, one in the 8 and two 9. Getting brave I walked back to the 25 yard line and finished the magazine. 7 shots. All into the outer ring of the target with most inside the 8 ring. Needless to say, I now carry the G2 full time. It might be a little bulkier than the .45 but I have 5 more rounds at my disposal and absolute confidence in that if a murderous, evil, hate filled, un-Godly shooter entered one of our doors with the idea of killing all of my extended Church family, I would and could bring that to a quick end.

So, this is as much about ammo as it is with any new gun. If we start with cheap ammo we can expect cheap results. If we make our decision to carry it then we need to make sure we judge our abilities by shooting exactly the ammo we intend to carry. It might be expensive to run tests until certain, but our extended family and friends are definitely worth it.

That's really surprising to hear about your XDS. I also have one in .45 (Mod 2) and honestly, it's ridiculously accurate for me with a subcompact (key words: "for me"). I can keep them all in the scoring area of the B-27 at 25 yards (although spread out more than I'd like). My shooting with a full frame gun is much better, but I have no worries about hitting with the XDS.

Have you tried shooting the XDS off a bag to see if it's an issue with the gun itself? No offense to Springfield, but they have put out a few boogers in their day.

 

[marineimaging]

(although spread out more than I'd like)

that is partly what scares me. But yes. When I shot at 25 yards it was off the bag. However, it might be my ammo. I am shooting 185 grain HP Monarch. Maybe I need to go back to the 230 grain Hornady (or at least a more recognized brand name). Still, the OP was about the PT111 G2 and I was shooting that into the 8 ring free standing. That thing is amazingly accurate with the 124 grain God Dots (better BC than most)

 

[Phil 1:21]

that is partly what scares me. However, it might be my ammo. I am shooting 185 grain HP Monarch. Maybe I need to go back to the 230 grain Hornady (or at least a more recognized brand name). Still, the OP was about the PT111 G2 and that thing is amazingly accurate with the 124 grain God Dots (better BC than most)

FWIW, I run 230gr ball ammo for range duty in mine; 230gr HSTs for carry.

I should probably try out a PT111 G2 if I can find a rental at one of the local ranges. I hear they're a great gun at an really good price. Only problem is if I shoot one I may want to buy one.

 

[marineimaging]

FWIW, I run 230gr ball ammo for range duty in mine; 230gr HSTs for carry.

I should probably try out a PT111 G2 if I can find a rental at one of the local ranges. I hear they're a great gun at an really good price. Only problem is if I shoot one I may want to buy one.

Well, if you get one at Academy you can get a .22 Heritage pistol or .22 plinker rifle with it for free. That isn't saying a lot but who can complain about getting another one for the backpack?

 

[Servant68]

I received the pistol with no drama but ended up going camping and fishing last weekend, so no range report.

I can say that the fit and finish is indeed impressive at this price point. It is every bit as good as the S&W Shield, M&P, and Walthers I've fondled lately. Polymer quality and detail is as nice as Glock's. Seriously.

Ergonomics and feel is amazingly good; fits my hand like a glove and points extremely naturally for me.

Will have to reserve judgement on the trigger until I actually shoot it. If you rack the slide and pull the trigger, it is really not bad at all; just a little bit of mushiness and creep at around 5lbs. But subsequent pulls of the trigger feel like an awful double-action revolver.

Only downsides are the sights are plastic like Glocks and rear sight has a non-standard dovetail so aftermarket options will be limited.

Internals also seem to be not quite as high quality as Glock and S&W. When I strip and clean my other polymer pistols, I use Q-tips with a bit of CLP on them with no issues. With the Taurus, there was quite a bit of snagging of the Q-Tip fibers so I had to take tweezers and pick out a bunch of strays afterwards. Not really scientific, but it is an indicator that the parts have a lot more rough edges.

The final proof will be in the shooting. But so far, I am really, really impressed with this $200 pistol. My dad had recently purchased a Ruger EC9s pistol for $250. It's a bit smaller than the G2c but the fit and finish is nowhere as nice as the Taurus. Same with a Ruger Security 9 I looked at the other day.

Taurus really has improved their standards lately if this pistol is any indication...

Nearly identical in size to my XDS with 12 rounds instead of 6...

 

[marineimaging]

I received the pistol with no drama but ended up going camping and fishing last weekend, so no range report.

I can say that the fit and finish is indeed impressive at this price point. It is every bit as good as the S&W Shield, M&P, and Walthers I've fondled lately. Polymer quality and detail is as nice as Glock's. Seriously.

Ergonomics and feel is amazingly good; fits my hand like a glove and points extremely naturally for me.

Will have to reserve judgement on the trigger until I actually shoot it. If you rack the slide and pull the trigger, it is really not bad at all; just a little bit of mushiness and creep at around 5lbs. But subsequent pulls of the trigger feel like an awful double-action revolver.

Only downsides are the sights are plastic like Glocks and rear sight has a non-standard dovetail so aftermarket options will be limited.

Internals also seem to be not quite as high quality as Glock and S&W. When I strip and clean my other polymer pistols, I use Q-tips with a bit of CLP on them with no issues. With the Taurus, there was quite a bit of snagging of the Q-Tip fibers so I had to take tweezers and pick out a bunch of strays afterwards. Not really scientific, but it is an indicator that the parts have a lot more rough edges.

The final proof will be in the shooting. But so far, I am really, really impressed with this $200 pistol. My dad had recently purchased a Ruger EC9s pistol for $250. It's a bit smaller than the G2c but the fit and finish is nowhere as nice as the Taurus. Same with a Ruger Security 9 I looked at the other day.

Taurus really has improved their standards lately if this pistol is any indication...

The second pull feels different because it is a double striker so it should feel like a double action pistol. As for the sights I understand what yo mean but I relegated it to the plus side of a CC and that means draw and fire by rote, not sight. I have better sights on my long range precision types. BTW, as a former machine shop supervisor for Burris scopes and sights I can tell you that many gun manufacturers put the basic sighting system on their guns for a reason. Most people don't really understand what a good set of sights can do to precision shooting techniques and many don't really care. They just want to go bang, bang and if it make a hole on the target they are good to go. So why increase the price of the firearm itself when you can make the sale and then down the road the precision shooter who really DOES care can order better sights and change them out. Just like the grip on my AR-15. The A2 standard grip ships on all economical priced AR's. In fact they retail for about $3.50 so you know the mfgr's are paying about $1.10 (maybe less) for them in bulk. Still, you get the gun then you can order any of several dozen replacement types. In my case the A2 hates my forearm as it rotates the wrist just enough to find the worst carpal position. So I ordered this BCM style and just that little bit of angle difference brought a world of comfort.

 

[Phil 1:21]

I received the pistol with no drama but ended up going camping and fishing last weekend, so no range report.

I can say that the fit and finish is indeed impressive at this price point. It is every bit as good as the S&W Shield, M&P, and Walthers I've fondled lately. Polymer quality and detail is as nice as Glock's. Seriously.

Ergonomics and feel is amazingly good; fits my hand like a glove and points extremely naturally for me.

Will have to reserve judgement on the trigger until I actually shoot it. If you rack the slide and pull the trigger, it is really not bad at all; just a little bit of mushiness and creep at around 5lbs. But subsequent pulls of the trigger feel like an awful double-action revolver.

Only downsides are the sights are plastic like Glocks and rear sight has a non-standard dovetail so aftermarket options will be limited.

Internals also seem to be not quite as high quality as Glock and S&W. When I strip and clean my other polymer pistols, I use Q-tips with a bit of CLP on them with no issues. With the Taurus, there was quite a bit of snagging of the Q-Tip fibers so I had to take tweezers and pick out a bunch of strays afterwards. Not really scientific, but it is an indicator that the parts have a lot more rough edges.

The final proof will be in the shooting. But so far, I am really, really impressed with this $200 pistol. My dad had recently purchased a Ruger EC9s pistol for $250. It's a bit smaller than the G2c but the fit and finish is nowhere as nice as the Taurus. Same with a Ruger Security 9 I looked at the other day.

Taurus really has improved their standards lately if this pistol is any indication...

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Nearly identical in size to my XDS with 12 rounds instead of 6...

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Thanks for the report. I own an XDS in 45, so the size comparison and capacity difference is appealing. I assume the Taurus is a double stack?

 

[Servant68]

Yes, the Taurus is a double stack, but the grip really is not discernibly fatter than my single-stack XDS. With the extended 7-round mag in my XDS, the 12-round G2c is just a little bit longer.

Official specs have the weight of my .40 XDS and my G2c as the same at 22ozs, overall length is the same at 6.3", G2c width is greater at 1.2" vs. .9 for the XDS.

Height for the G2c is 5.1" vs. 5" for the XDS with 7-round magazine and 4.4" with 6-round flush mag.

Very, very close guns. I was really surprised at how compact the G2c was for the capacity.

 

[Servant68]

Finally took my G2c to the range and got a very mixed bag of impressions.

The Good:

- No hiccups or jams or failures.
- Recoil seems less than what is felt with the G19.
- Points extremely naturally for me; I did some rapid point shooting and was very surprised at the results.
- Controls all felt very natural and worked well at speed.
- 7yd accuracy very acceptable.

The Bad:

- 25yd accuracy with all four loads incredibly bad. Not as bad a my defective shield which did 12" at 25yds, but still surprisingly bad with the best barely under 5" at 25yds. This is with reloads and factory ammo. It is due in large part to the trigger, I suspect.
- 19yd accuracy with a rest was awful as well; over 4".

The Ugly:

- The trigger. My gosh what an awful trigger! I could never tell when it was going to break. There is a distinct issue with the trigger "catching" on something internally. I read somewhere on the net that the G2c still utilizes some component of the PT111 Millenium trigger group with the key lock, and that part causes the issue I'm having. I believe there is a simple solution to that so I will get that done ASAP.

- The trigger... Odd that while rapid firing I didn't notice it and gun ran great. But when slow-firing for accuracy, it was awful. Had to release and re-set the trigger pull on several shots because it kept catching.

Summary:

This is a great little CCW pistol that is handicapped by it's awful trigger and name. With only an hour or so and 100 rounds through it, it is going to take quite a bit more range time and some trigger work before I trust my life to it.

And normally I wouldn't even consider it if it wasn't for just how incredibly good it feels to shoot and how good the numbers are; 12 rounds of 9mm in an XDS and G26-sized pistol for $200.

If I can fix the trigger relatively easily and cheaply and get it to shoot 3" groups at 25yds, then it will be my new favorite carry pistol.

The range pics:

25 yard 5-shot groups slow fire with a bench rest...

7 Yard accuracy is acceptable...

 

[Servant68]

What really impressed me was the point shooting and rapid fire shooting. Ten rounds in under 3 seconds with most in a 3" group is very acceptable to me...

 

[Phil 1:21]

When you talk of 25-yard groups are you shooting off hand or off a rest of some kind? If those groups are off hand, I'd be happy with them.

 

[marineimaging]

What really impressed me was the point shooting and rapid fire shooting. Ten rounds in under 3 seconds with most in a 3" group is very acceptable to me...

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If he's like me then we want to be able to hit a bad guy crouched behind a female hostage with blowing hair and do it at 250 yards into the tear duct, while sitting on bare horseback which happens to be standing atop a flatcar on a moving train, and have the firestick holstered and autographs signed before the bullet hits the bad guy..., in the tear duct.

 

[marineimaging]

What really impressed me was the point shooting and rapid fire shooting. Ten rounds in under 3 seconds with most in a 3" group is very acceptable to me...

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Do me a favor and document what you do to the trigger. I really dislike mine too. I really like the gun overall, but that trigger is yuck.

 

[Servant68]

I ordered a stainless steel striker guide for $17 from Lakeline, LLC that is supposed to eliminate the "catching" and mushiness of the trigger.

We'll see, but for $20 delivered, I'll risk it...

 

[marineimaging]

I ordered a stainless steel striker guide for $17 from Lakeline, LLC that is supposed to eliminate the "catching" and mushiness of the trigger.

We'll see, but for $20 delivered, I'll risk it...

It sure makes sense.