Oracle Soup

[DogmaHunter]

I'm sorry did you miss the fact that these things are spiritually discerned?

No.

I give you good food. One that will sustain your soul and lead you to peace, to Yahshua himself and would you not seek this further?

Preaching again.

You don't seem to understand that the entire theory of evolution is based on the seamlessness of life which God made.

I understand that one of these models has mountains of evidence in support of it and the other has none. And I don't decide in advance what the answer should be.

 

[Kevin Snow]

No.



Preaching again.



I understand that one of these models has mountains of evidence in support of it and the other has none. And I don't decide in advance what the answer should be.

You have no understanding and you're not willing to hear. This is why Christ said, "let those who would hear, hear" You do not want to understand the principle behind the very theory you believe in: what it stands on. So how could you hear God's voice?

 

[AirPo]

You have no understanding and you're not willing to hear. This is why Christ said, "let those who would hear, hear" You do not want to understand the principle behind the very theory you believe in: what it stands on. So how could you hear God's voice?

Your interpretation of what you think is God's voice is not the principle behind the theory.

 

[DogmaHunter]

You have no understanding and you're not willing to hear.

No. What I'm not willing to do, is rather simply believe claims without evidence.
I'm not willing to make a priori unjustifiable assumptions about unsupportable things.

This is why Christ said, "let those who would hear, hear" You do not want to understand the principle behind the very theory you believe in: what it stands on. So how could you hear God's voice?

Evolution stands on testable evidence. That's the principle it stands on.
Your teleological objections, inspired by religious faith based beliefs, aren't relevant.

You are more then welcome to try an actual evidence based argument.
But if all you got are religiously inspired assertions, then I'm not interested - that part is certainly correct.

And do note, it's not that I'm not interested because of some religious reason. I'm not interested because it is faith based. I care about evidence. I care about what is actually true. I don't care about "comfortable beliefs" or "faith" or other emotional appeals or logical fallacies.

To quote Prof Dawkins: "We should have an open mind. But no SO open that our brains are falling out...."

 

[Kevin Snow]

Use your head man! God gave it to you. What is the entire point that evolution stands on? It's the interrelation of species through its variance. Do you not understand this? This is where evolution comes from. And this you can't talk about?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Use your head man! God gave it to you. What is the entire point that evolution stands on? It's the interrelation of species through its variance. Do you not understand this? This is where evolution comes from. And this you can't talk about?

The interrelation of species is what evolution theory explains.

But more importantly: what is your point here?

 

[Kevin Snow]

The interrelation of species is what evolution theory explains.

Right man so are you starting to understand me then? Evolution explains it by saying what? They say it came of a lower order complex organism which through one reason or another jumped up into higher orders of complexity until it became human. The same elements are all there from human to microbe so why not think this?

But what I'm pointing to you in scripture is that God himself made everything interrelated because he made everything as one thing. He left nothing out. The reason it is seamless is because that is how the work of God is made from the very beginning. And this is spiritually discerned. God wore a seamless tunic for this very reason, pointing to the character of God's handiwork: that everything is made from a common theme. So when I quoted to you the passage of all things being made through Yahshua, you can now understand how that actually looks like in a physical sense. It's not that some formless microbe grew in orders of complexity to be human but that the human image was the blueprint for breaking down its pieces into ALL of the different life forms we see today. That is how God made all of creation was through Jesus Christ.

 

[HitchSlap]

Right man so are you starting to understand me then? Evolution explains it by saying what? They say it came of a lower order complex organism which through one reason or another jumped up into higher orders of complexity until it became human. The same elements are all there from human to microbe so why not think this?

But what I'm pointing to you in scripture is that God himself made everything interrelated because he made everything as one thing. He left nothing out. The reason it is seamless is because that is how the work of God is made from the very beginning. And this is spiritually discerned. God wore a seamless tunic for this very reason, pointing to the character of God's handiwork: that everything is made from a common theme. So when I quoted to you the passage of all things being made through Yahshua, you can now understand how that actually looks like in a physical sense. It's not that some formless microbe grew in orders of complexity to be human but that the human image was the blueprint for breaking down its pieces into ALL of the different life forms we see today. That is how God made all of creation was through Jesus Christ.

Source?

 

[Kevin Snow]

Source?

The entire bible dude, why don't you read it sometime?

 

[Belk]

Right man so are you starting to understand me then? Evolution explains it by saying what? They say it came of a lower order complex organism which through one reason or another jumped up into higher orders of complexity until it became human. The same elements are all there from human to microbe so why not think this?

Just to point out that the theory of evolution says nothing about the complexity of organisms. That is something you added.

But what I'm pointing to you in scripture is that God himself made everything interrelated because he made everything as one thing. He left nothing out. The reason it is seamless is because that is how the work of God is made from the very beginning. And this is spiritually discerned. God wore a seamless tunic for this very reason, pointing to the character of God's handiwork: that everything is made from a common theme. So when I quoted to you the passage of all things being made through Yahshua, you can now understand how that actually looks like in a physical sense. It's not that some formless microbe grew in orders of complexity to be human but that the human image was the blueprint for breaking down its pieces into ALL of the different life forms we see today. That is how God made all of creation was through Jesus Christ.

It is fine for you to believe this. I require evidence before I will consider the idea.

 

[Kevin Snow]

Just to point out that the theory of evolution says nothing about the complexity of organisms. That is something you added.




It is fine for you to believe this. I require evidence before I will consider the idea.

Hello? When we are considering the understanding of the evidence you ask for evidence? The evidence is the same exact evidence you have for evolution! Just a different understanding of that evidence.

Get a load of this. A man without understanding...

 

[Belk]

Hello? When we are considering the understanding of the evidence you ask for evidence? The evidence is the same exact evidence you have for evolution! Just a different understanding of that evidence.

No, it is not. The evidence for evolution is not the same evidence for an all powerful deity.

Get a load of this. A man without understanding...

I have been respectful in my communication with you. I request the same in return.

 

[Kevin Snow]

No, it is not. The evidence for evolution is not the same evidence for an all powerful deity.



I have been respectful in my communication with you. I request the same in return.

News flash, yes it is! And I've already shown it to be the case you are just not picking up what I'm throwing down. Look back in my posts and start to dwell on what it is exactly I'm pointing out to you. Ask God for help and he will show it to you. I've already said three times that it's spiritually discerned.

 

[Belk]

News flash, yes it is! And I've already shown it to be the case you are just not picking up what I'm throwing down.

No, I'm sorry but it is not. I understand that you believe God created everything and therefore Evolution points to a God for you. However I can not look at the evidence for evolution and conclude it must be the work of a deity. The evidence works just fine pointing to materialistic explanations. I require evidence that specifically points to a deity.

Look back in my posts and start to dwell on what it is exactly I'm pointing out to you. Ask God for help and he will show it to you. I've already said three times that it's spiritually discerned.

I have no evidence for anything spiritual either. I'm sorry but simply asserting things will not work as evidence.

 

[Kevin Snow]

No, I'm sorry but it is not. I understand that you believe God created everything and therefore Evolution points to a God for you. However I can not look at the evidence for evolution and conclude it must be the work of a deity. The evidence works just fine pointing to materialistic explanations. I require evidence that specifically points to a deity.



I have no evidence for anything spiritual either. I'm sorry but simply asserting things will not work as evidence.

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. ~John 6:44

And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” ~John 6:65

 

[HitchSlap]

The entire bible dude, why don't you read it sometime?

I have. Many times. It's why I'm no longer a Christian.

Moving on... so, the bible's true because the bible says it's true?

 

[HitchSlap]

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. ~John 6:44

And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” ~John 6:65

Your Jedi mind tricks don't work here.

 

[Belk]

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. ~John 6:44

And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” ~John 6:65

Um... Thanks?

 

[Kevin Snow]

Your Jedi mind tricks don't work here.

Um... Thanks?

The kingdom of God does not consist in talk but in power. Therefore let me tell you what will happen to you. Even from this day forward you will go from bad to worse in your life. Your own strengths will diminish and you will come to your end through lawlessness. Because you fear man and not the only God in heaven, this is your lot. But woe to you if you never see it! For then God himself has hidden your future from you that you might not turn to him. But I will pray for you that in some way you might feel his displeasure lest in this life only you see the light of life.

 

[HitchSlap]

The kingdom of God does not consist in talk but in power. Therefore let me tell you what will happen to you. Even from this day forward you will go from bad to worse in your life. Your own strengths will diminish and you will come to your end through lawlessness. Because you fear man and not the only God in heaven, this is your lot. But woe to you if you never see it! For then God himself has hidden your future from you that you might not turn to him. But I will pray for you that in some way you might feel his displeasure lest in this life only you see the light of life.