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Sauron

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2. Muslims do anything BUT condemn muslim terrorism.

 

Sorry - this is actually in FOUR parts, due to post size limitations:

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"Where Was God on September 11?," http://www.virginia.edu/~soasia/new...Fall01/God.html

Ali Khan, professor of law, Washburn University School of Law:

"To the most learned in the text of the Quran, these verses must be read in the context of many other verses that stipulate the Islamic law of war---a war that the Islamic leader must declare after due consultation with advisers. For the less learned, however, these verses may provide the motivation and even the plot for a merciless strike against a self-chosen enemy." "Attack on America: An Islamic Perspective, September 17, 2001, http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forum/forumnew29.htm

Muqtedar Khan, assistant professor of political science, Adrian College, Michigan, USA:

"What happened on September 11th in New York and Washington DC will forever remain a horrible scar on the history of Islam and humanity. No matter how much we condemn it, and point to the Quran and the Sunnah to argue that Islam forbids the killing of innocent people, the fact remains that the perpetrators of this crime against humanity have indicated that their actions are sanctioned by Islamic values. The fact that even now several Muslim scholars and thousands of Muslims defend the accused is indicative that not all Muslims believe that the attacks are unIslamic. This is truly sad. ... If anywhere in your hearts there is any sympathy or understanding with those who committed this act, I invite you to ask yourself this question, would Muhammad (pbuh) sanction such an act? While encouraging Muslims to struggle against injustice (Al Quran 4:135), Allah also imposes strict rules of engagement. He says in unequivocal terms that to kill an innocent being is like killing entire humanity (Al Quran 5:32). He also encourages Muslims to forgive Jews and Christians if they have committed injustices against us (Al Quran 2:109, 3:159, 5:85)."

"Memo to American Muslims," October 5, 2001, http://www.ijtihad.org/memo.htm

Dr. Alaa Al-Yousuf, Bahraini economist and political activist:

"On Friday, 14 September [the first Friday prayers after 11 September], almost the whole world expressed its condemnation of the crime and its grief for the bereaved families of the victims. Those who abstained or, even worse, rejoiced, will have joined the terrorists, not in the murder, but in adding to the incalculable damage on the other victims of the atrocity, namely, Islam as a faith, Muslims and Arabs as peoples, and possibly the Palestinian cause. The terrorists and their apologists managed to sully Islam as a faith both in the eyes of many Muslims and non-Muslims alike."

Interview with the International Forum for Islamic Dialogue, London, http://www.islam21.net/pages/keyissues/key7-6.htm

Dr. S. Parvez Manzoor, Swedish-based Muslim author:

"If these acts of terror indeed have been perpetrated by Muslim radicals or fundamentalists, they have reaped nothing but eternal damnation, shame and ignominy. For nothing, absolutely nothing, could remotely be advanced as an excuse for these barbaric acts. They represent a total negation of Islamic values, an utter disregard of our fiqhi tradition, and a slap in the face of the Ummah. They are in total contrast to what Islamic reason, compassion and faith stand for. Even from the more mundane criteria of common good, the maslaha of the jurists, these acts are treasonous and suicidal. Islamic faith has been so callously and casually sacrificed at the altar of politics, a home-grown politics of parochial causes, primeval passions, self-endorsing piety and messianic terror."

Interview with the International Forum for Islamic Dialogue, London, http://www.islam21.net/pages/keyissues/key7-6.htm

Anwar Ibrahim, Malaysian Islamic activist and former deputy prime minister:

"Never in Islam's entire history has the action of so few of its followers caused the religion and its community of believers to be such an abomination in the eyes of others. Millions of Muslims who fled to North America and Europe to escape poverty and persecution at home have become the object of hatred and are now profiled as potential terrorists. And the nascent democratic movements in Muslim countries will regress for a few decades as ruling autocrats use their participation in the global war against terrorism to terrorize their critics and dissenters. This is what Mohammed Atta and his fellow terrorists and sponsors have done to Islam and its community worldwide by their murder of innocents at the World Trade Center in New York and the Defense Depart-ment in Washington. The attack must be condemned, and the condemnation must be without reservation."

Anwar Ibrahim, "Growth of Democracy Is the Answer to Terrorism," International Herald Tribune, October 11, 2001, http://www.iht.com/articles/35281.htm

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Bernard Haykel, assistant professor of Islamic law at New York University:

"According to Islamic law there are at least six reasons why Bin Laden's barbaric violence cannot fall under the rubric of jihad: 1) Individuals and organizations cannot declare a jihad, only states can; 2) One cannot kill innocent women and children when conducting a jihad; 3) One cannot kill Muslims in a jihad; 4) One cannot fight a jihad against a country in which Muslims can freely practise their religion and proselytize Islam; 5) Prominent Muslim jurists around the world have condemned these attacks and their condemnation forms a juristic consensus (ijma') against Bin Laden's actions (This consensus renders his actions un-Islamic); 6) The welfare and interest of the Muslim community (maslaha) is being harmed by Bin Laden's actions and this equally makes them un-Islamic."

The Dawn newspaper, Karachi, Pakistan, October 8, 2001, http://www.dawn.com/2001/10/08/op.htm#2

See other collections of statements:

Omid Safi, Colgate University, "Scholars of Islam & the Tragedy of Sept. 11th," http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm

Tim Lubin, Washington and Lee University, "Islamic Responses to the Sept. 11 Attack," http://home.wlu.edu/~lubint/islamonWTC.htm

The Becket Fund, "Osama Bin Laden Hijacked Four Airplanes and a Religion," October 17, 2001, http://www.becketfund.org/other/MuslimAd.html

Islam for Today, "Muslims Against Terrorism,"

http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm
 
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Sauron

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Originally posted by Outspoken
"Starscream, I think you have taken that commandment out of context."

He does that a lot ;)

It isn't hard, considering how flexible and slippery christians are, when it comes to being pinned down on what any given verse actually *means*.

This week.

While it's convenient for them.



 



Note: Please be reminded that the statement above is bordering on breaking Rule 1 (no flaming - belittling, insulting others). Do review the forum rules. Thank you.
 
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Sauron

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Originally posted by vegan

Yes, and don't forget about the commandments that say moon gods like Allah are not to be worshiped (Allah was the moon god of the kabbah.

Incorrect.

Muhammad chose the moon gld of Allah because he was the "head god" or something like that). 

"Or something like that" - frankly, you're guessing and/or half remembering something you read on some fundamentalist website.

Did I mention Muhammad marrying the 9 year old?  Yes, but it is so vile it is worth saying twice.

Saying it twice doesn't make it correct.  It's still wrong.
 
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Arg. why am i having problems posting.

A racist is one who believes racial characteristics make you superior or inferior.

Believing in one's own country is patriotism or nationalism

I am over with this thread.  Bye bye.

My original reply was very lengthy, but it got mangled and i have no idea what happened to it.  I do not care to retype it.  So, sorry if this is a short reply to your very lengthy and jingoistic post.

ciao.
 
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Hmm...Just wondering Star(inserted) or anyone else (end insert), have they condemned the same terrorist acts that have been going on for about 100 or so years now or was it just because this one was very publisized? I'm really not sure. I'm really asking an honest question, just to let ya know.
 
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