Open Theism banned!

[CaDan]

I've started up a thread in Liberal Theology on Open Theism that should be suitable for discussions of the theology, if anyone is interested.

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

BigToe, I was simply trying to keep people from getting warnings nothing more. I don't mod in here so I can't threaten any action. It was more of a heads up since i Have seen it happen before and didn't want to see anyone get warned over it here.

 

[BigToe]

Oh I completely understand why you said what you said, and it was nice of you to give folks a heads up. I just think a lot of us haven't heard of open theism before and as such don't know what it is to even know how we'd be breaking any rules. But I suppose we should just learn in the thread CaDan started and then that would help people avoid warnings

 

[inquisitor_11]

Im not trying to be deliberately provocative or debate the rules, and I think that CF has done quite a a good job at maintaining a fairly inclusive environment.

This decision (and interpretation of the Nicene Creed) makes me wonder how long it will be till the noose tightens on Theistic Evolution. After all, it does say "Maker of Heaven and Earth"....

 

[BigToe]

Well considering evolution has nothing to do with how the heavens or earth were created..... Theistic Evolution still credits God with the work.

 

[inquisitor_11]

I suppose my point was (as Crazy Liz i think already said) that it was a particular interpretation of the Nicene Creed that led to Open Theism's banning- which begs the question as to whether this can happen in other areas.

 

[nyj]

Ok, here is my question, and perhaps I'm being too simplistic or too dense, or both.

A. One aspect of Open Theism states that God does not know the future.
B. Nicene Creed states that Jesus Christ is God.

C. Ergo, Jesus Christ would not know the future.

D. But, Jesus Christ knows Judas will betray Him. (ie: prediction of future event)
E. Jesus Christ predicts His own death (ie: prediction of future event)
F. Jesus Christ predicts His own resurrection (ie: prediction of future event)

See where I'm going with this?

 

[CaDan]

Ok, here is my question, and perhaps I'm being too simplistic or too dense, or both.

A. One aspect of Open Theism states that God does not know the future.
B. Nicene Creed states that Jesus Christ is God.

C. Ergo, Jesus Christ would not know the future.

D. But, Jesus Christ knows Judas will betray Him. (ie: prediction of future event)
E. Jesus Christ predicts His own death (ie: prediction of future event)
F. Jesus Christ predicts His own resurrection (ie: prediction of future event)

See where I'm going with this?

My very rough understanding is that OpTh suggests that God experiences time sort of like the way we do. Because the future does not exist, it is not knowable at all. Now, because God knows a lot more about the past and the present than we do, God can make really good predictions about the future--certainly better than ours! And because God is still omnipotent, God can promise to do things in the future.

This is what I have been able to glean from the web--which seems to over-represent the views of those in opposition. The entire thing strikes me as a very speculative attempt to explain some problematic verses in the OT.

 

[Risen Tree]

Discussion on the subject redirected to this thread:

http://www.christianforums.com/t1140703-open-theism.html