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In Revelation 7:5-8, we see 12 Tribes being sealed, with 12,000 individuals each, sealed.

There are 12,000 for each Tribe. This represents an equal inheritance. All 12 Tribes also equal 144,000.

Now given what we know of the Sabbath, there are 6 days of labor in the week and one day of rest. If there are 24 hours in a day and 6 days of work, that means there is a total of 144 hours of working days.

So the 144,000 in Revelation is God's last army at the 144th hour, the last hour before the Sabbath, the day of rest.

I believe the 12 Tribes consists of God's workers from the "first hour" (Jews) all the way to the "last hour" (144,000/Remnant) before Jesus' return.

What do you think?
 

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In Revelation 7:5-8, we see 12 Tribes being sealed, with 12,000 individuals each, sealed.

There are 12,000 for each Tribe. This represents an equal inheritance. All 12 Tribes also equal 144,000.

Now given what we know of the Sabbath, there are 6 days of labor in the week and one day of rest. If there are 24 hours in a day and 6 days of work, that means there is a total of 144 hours of working days.

So the 144,000 in Revelation is God's last army at the 144th hour, the last hour before the Sabbath, the day of rest.

I believe the 12 Tribes consists of God's workers from the "first hour" (Jews) all the way to the "last hour" (144,000/Remnant) before Jesus' return.

What do you think?

It's not likely. For, the passage says nothing about the Sabbath day, nor does it warrant a connection with physical hourly work which takes place prior to the Sabbath.

However, I don't think you're that far off. For, there is evidence that the 144,000 are representative of God's people in the final hours of earth's history.

A few observations:

Notice how the 144,000 are to receive a seal before the tribulation.

"Don't harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we seal the slaves of our God on their foreheads." (Rev 7:3 HCSB)

Also notice how after they are mentioned John sees a great multitude.

After this I looked, and there was a vast multitude from every nation, tribe, people, and language, which no one could number, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were robed in white with palm branches in their hands. (Rev 7:9 HCSB)

John is later informed that these people came out of the great tribulation.

I said to him, "Sir, you know." Then he told me: These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. (Rev 7:14 HCSB)

Now then, the 144,000 will receive a seal before the tribulation for protection. Also, a great multitude will come out of the tribulation. Hence, it appears that both the 144,000 and the vast multitude will go through the tribulation. Moreover, it appears that they won't be harmed by it, but preserved through it.

It's obvious that the 144,000 will make it through the tribulation because they will bear the seal of God. And since it's evident that the Bible informs us that a great multitude will come out of the tribulation, it is reasonable to conclude that they too were sealed by God. With that said, are we to assume that the 144,000 were sealed before the tribulation, but that the vast multitude wasn't?

It seems to me that those who aren't sealed at this point are those who have received the mark of the beast. I believe this to be so because verse three indicates that this tribulation has to do with God's judgment, not persecution. Hence the reason for saying to the four angels, "Do not harm...until we seal the slaves of our God." v. 3

So from my understanding the 144,000 and the vast multitude represent the same body of people.

Why the vast multitude was referred to as 144,000 I don't know at this time; but it obviously has something to do with the unity of the 12 tribes. It would be helpful to examine each tribe to see what they represent, and piece them all together to discover what the makeup (character) of the vast multitude will be in light of this information...






 
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In Revelation 7:5-8, we see 12 Tribes being sealed, with 12,000 individuals each, sealed.

There are 12,000 for each Tribe. This represents an equal inheritance. All 12 Tribes also equal 144,000.

Now given what we know of the Sabbath, there are 6 days of labor in the week and one day of rest. If there are 24 hours in a day and 6 days of work, that means there is a total of 144 hours of working days.

So the 144,000 in Revelation is God's last army at the 144th hour, the last hour before the Sabbath, the day of rest.

I believe the 12 Tribes consists of God's workers from the "first hour" (Jews) all the way to the "last hour" (144,000/Remnant) before Jesus' return.

What do you think?

Hmm...never thought of it that way. Where did you get it from?

I had a quick study on the 144000. The SOP and bible agree that the 144000 are the last generation of believers alive when Jesus comes back. And the 144000 and white roped multitude are the same group of people.

Here's the cut-and-paste of my little word doc...



.......................144000.....The multitude
Enter the temple.....LS80 217.1.....Rev 7:15
......................GC 648.3

Before the throne.....GC 648.3......Rev 7:9
......................Rev 14:3......Rev 7:15

Come out of the
great tribulation....LS80 217.2.....Rev 7:14
......................GC 648.3

Jesus shall serve
them in the banquet..LS80 217.2.....Rev 7:17

Have gotten
the victory...........Rev 15:2......VSS 464.3
......................GC 648.3

Standing on the
sea of glass..........Rev 15:2......VSS 464.3
......................GC 648.3

Having the harp.......Rev 15:2......VSS 464.3
......................GC 648.3

Sing the new song:
Moses and the Lamb....Rev 14:3......VSS 464.3
......................Rev 15:3
......................GC 648.3

Washed their ropes
white with the blood
of the Lamb ..........GC 648.3......Rev 7:14



Wipe away tears
from their eyes.......GC 648.3......Rev 7:17

Hunger no more,
thirst no more........GC 648.3......Rev 7:16



"Mount Zion was just before us, and on the mount was a building which looked to me like a temple. About it where seven other mountains, on which grew roses and lilies. I saw the little ones climb, or if they chose, use their little wings and fly to the top of the mountains, and pluck the never-fading flowers. There were all kinds of trees to beautify the place; the box, pine, fir, olive, myrtle and pomegranate, and the fig tree, bowed down with the weight of its timely figs, made the place all over glorious. As we were about to enter the temple, Jesus raised his lovely eyes and said, Only the one hundred and forty-four thousand enter this place, and we shouted Alleluia. {LS80 217.1}
"The temple was supported by seven pillars, all of transparent gold, set with pearls most glorious. The things I saw there I can but faintly describe. Oh! that I could talk in the language of Canaan, then could I tell something of the glory of the better world. I saw there tables of stone in which the names of the one hundred and forty-four thousand were engraved in letters of gold. After we beheld the glory of the temple, we went out, and Jesus left us, and went to the city. Soon we heard his lovely voice again, saying,'Come, my people, you have come out of great tribulation, and have done my will, and suffered for me; come to the marriage supper; for I will gird myself and serve you.' We shouted Alleluia, glory, and entered into the city. And I saw a table of pure silver, it was many miles in length, yet our eyes could extend over it. I saw the fruit of the tree of life, the manna, almonds, figs, pomegranates, grapes, and many other kinds of fruit. I asked Jesus to let me eat of the fruit. He said, Not now. Those who eat of the fruit of this land, go back to earth no more. But in a little while, if faithful, you shall both eat of the fruit of the tree of life, and drink of the water of the fountain. And he said, You must go back to earth again and relate to others what I have revealed to you. Then an angel bore me gently down to this dark world. {LS80 217.2}

Revelation 7
9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
...
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

There the redeemed ones greet those who directed them to the uplifted Saviour. They unite in praising Him who died that human beings might have the life that measures with the life of God. The conflict is over. All tribulation and strife are at an end. Songs of victory fill all heaven, as the redeemed stand around the throne of God. All take up the joyful strain, "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain" and hath redeemed us to God.--MH 506, 507. {VSS 464.2}

Song of Moses and the Lamb--This song and the great deliverance which it commemorates, made an impression never to be effaced from the memory of the Hebrew people. From age to age it was echoed by the prophets and singers of Israel, testifying that Jehovah is the strength and deliverance of those who trust in Him. That song does not belong to the Jewish people alone. It points forward to the destruction of all the foes of righteousness, and the final victory of the Israel of God. The prophet of Patmos beholds the white-robed multitude that "have gotten the victory," standing on the "sea of glass mingled with fire," having "the harps of God. And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb." Rev. 15:2, 3. {VSS 464.3}

Upon the crystal sea before the throne, that sea of glass as it were mingled with fire,--so resplendent is it with the glory of God,--are gathered the company that have "gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name." With the Lamb upon Mount Zion, "having the harps of God," they stand, the hundred and forty and four thousand that were redeemed from among men; and there is heard, as the sound of many waters, and as the sound of a great thunder, "the voice of harpers harping with their harps." And they sing "a new song" before the throne, a song which no man can learn save the hundred and forty and four thousand. It is the song of Moses and the Lamb--a song of deliverance. None but the hundred and forty-four thousand can learn that song; for it is the song of their experience--an experience such as no other company have ever had. "These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth." These, having been translated from the earth, from among the living, are counted as "the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb." Revelation 15:2, 3; 14:1-5. "These are they which came out of great tribulation;" they have passed through the time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation; they have endured the anguish of the time of Jacob's trouble; they have stood without an intercessor through the final outpouring of God's judgments. But they have been delivered, for they have "washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." "In their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault" before God. "Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple: and He that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them." They have seen the earth wasted with famine and pestilence, the sun having power to scorch men with great heat, and they themselves have endured suffering, hunger, and thirst. But "they shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes." Revelation 7:14-17. {GC 648.3}

Revelation 14
1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
 
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In Revelation 7:5-8, we see 12 Tribes being sealed, with 12,000 individuals each, sealed.

There are 12,000 for each Tribe. This represents an equal inheritance. All 12 Tribes also equal 144,000.

Now given what we know of the Sabbath, there are 6 days of labor in the week and one day of rest. If there are 24 hours in a day and 6 days of work, that means there is a total of 144 hours of working days.

So the 144,000 in Revelation is God's last army at the 144th hour, the last hour before the Sabbath, the day of rest.

I believe the 12 Tribes consists of God's workers from the "first hour" (Jews) all the way to the "last hour" (144,000/Remnant) before Jesus' return.

What do you think?

I see some potential issues in this...

In the patriarchical system, the first born male was entitled to 50% of the inheritance, then the rest of the male children divide the other 50%. So it's not equal inheritance.

I believe the 12 Tribes consists of God's workers from the "first hour" (Jews) all the way to the "last hour" (144,000/Remnant) before Jesus' return.

I'm not quite sure what you meant by the above statement and how the 144 hours relate to the 144000 people.
 
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In Revelation 7:5-8, we see 12 Tribes being sealed, with 12,000 individuals each, sealed.

There are 12,000 for each Tribe. This represents an equal inheritance. All 12 Tribes also equal 144,000.

Now given what we know of the Sabbath, there are 6 days of labor in the week and one day of rest. If there are 24 hours in a day and 6 days of work, that means there is a total of 144 hours of working days.

So the 144,000 in Revelation is God's last army at the 144th hour, the last hour before the Sabbath, the day of rest.

I believe the 12 Tribes consists of God's workers from the "first hour" (Jews) all the way to the "last hour" (144,000/Remnant) before Jesus' return.

What do you think?

Here let me help you with that!!

There is a sermon called the 144,000.Here it is Click Here>>
 
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