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Big Bang breakthrough team allows they may be wrong

"We know that galactic dust emits polarized radiations. We see that in many areas of the sky, and what we pointed out in our paper is that pattern they have seen is just as consistent with the galactic dust radiations as with gravitational waves," Spergel told AFP last week.

Confirmation bias ...

Gee, just because they insist that those polarized photons are related to multiple supernatural entities *plural*, rather than *ordinary* processes in plasma and dust is no reason to *assume* that they suffer from confirmation bias. :)

Their grandiose claims gets watered down by the day.
 
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So what is the issue here or point supposed to be? That science is working properly? That evidence is being examined and questioned and when its found potentially wanting that is made known?

This doesn't really help anyone who is against Science.

Not trying to help those against science. Trying to help those looking for actual scientific explanations instead of Fairie Dust.


Yet here we have had 4 straight falsifications of dark matter in the last 18 months (8 in total), yet it isn't questioned even when it is found potentially wanting and made known. Instead they pat themselves on the back and proclaim how sensitive their equipment is for not detecting anything, even background noise.

Here we have a halo of plasma of up to twice the mass of our galaxy, yet isn't excluded from any CMB maps, as it wasn't even known about before 2012. Yet we are assured all is accounted for.

Here we have a solar wind coming to a complete stop at the heliosphere, yet assurred all radiation is accounted for, even when none of mainstream models predicted what was observed by Voyager, IBEX and THEMIS, also discovered in 2012.

The CMB when all matter sources in the universe are accounted for:

http://printagift.com.au/images/prod_full/oval_black.gif


Mainstream cosmology is not science any longer. It's only too bad most turn a blind eye. I mean one Nobel Prize for postulating the existence of Fairie Dust was enough even for mainstream pseudo-science. They couldn't handle another one so nipped it in the bud, especially one that could be tied back to actual matter. Only by searching for nothing can mainstream cosmology hope to survive in it's current state.

Mainstream cosmology is praying for a miracle so bad they'll jump at any little statistical blip nowadays. They've dug themselves so deep into wonderland that they can't see the exit sign anymore even when it's staring them in the face...

They need a universe 73% of "some" kind of energy, but tell you it's electrically neutral in space, even when they directly measure those electric currents in the space they just told you was electrically neutral.

Then ask you to buy into their ponzi scheme.

It's just time to let the Fairie Dust go and get back to actual science again is all.
 
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Not trying to help those against science. Trying to help those looking for actual scientific explanations instead of Fairie Dust.

Yet here we have had 4 straight falsifications of dark matter in the last 18 months (8 in total), yet it isn't questioned even when it is found potentially wanting and made known. Instead they pat themselves on the back and proclaim how sensitive their equipment is for not detecting anything, even background noise.

Except this isn't even a falsification of anything. Its a statement that the data isn't necessarily precise enough or surveying a large enough area to be meaningful. And there's no back patting going on.
 
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Except this isn't even a falsification of anything. Its a statement that the data isn't necessarily precise enough or surveying a large enough area to be meaningful. And there's no back patting going on.



Sure there is, so much we even had to joke about it. I mean it has to be a joke, right?


A Neverending Story - Cosmologists Find The Nothing!!

"Scientists of the Cryogenic Dark Matter Search experiment today announced that they have regained the lead in the worldwide race to find the particles that make up dark matter. The CDMS experiment, conducted a half-mile underground in a mine in Soudan, Minn., again sets the world’s best constraints on the properties of dark matter candidates.

“With our new result we are leapfrogging the competition,” said Blas Cabrera of Stanford University, co-spokesperson of the CDMS experiment, for which the Department of Energy’s Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory hosts the project management. “We have achieved the world’s most stringent limits on how often dark matter particles interact with ordinary matter and how heavy they are, in particular in the theoretically favored mass range of more than 40 times the proton mass. Our experiment is now sensitive enough to hear WIMPs even if they ring the ‘bells’ of our crystal germanium detector only twice a year. So far, we have heard nothing[emphasis added]"

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“This is a fantastic result,” said UCLA professor David Cline, organizer of the conference."

Yes, a fantastic result in the never ending search for nothing, as it just means another reason to ask for more of my tax dollars to waste. And they needed to present their finding of nothing at a Symposium on dark matter and energy. Wonder who's taxes paid for that too.

We were disappointed about not seeing WIMPs this time. But the absence of background in our sample shows the power of our detectors as we enter into very interesting territory,” said CDMS co-spokesperson Bernard Sadoulet, of the University of California, Berkeley. [emphasis added]"

The absence of background just means you found another big nothing. Not even noise to look through. It doesn't show the power of your detectors. Detecting something would of done that, detecting nothing just shows how unworkable the theories really are. I can detect nothing with a paper bag, and that only costs .25 cents.

The same with LIOGO's gravitational waves.

LIGO Successfully finds nothing

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"LIGO's contribution to the study of GRB070201 marks a milestone for the project, says Caltech's Jay Marx, LIGO's executive director: "Having achieved its design goals two years ago, LIGO is now producing significant scientific results. The nondetection of a signal from GRB070201 is an important step toward a very productive synergy between gravitational-wave and other astronomical communities that will contribute to our understanding of the most energetic events in the cosmos."""

But that nondetection allowed you to probe the heart of neutron stars.

No Elephants In My Carpet - More LIES from LIGO

"The analysis revealed no signs of gravitational waves -- a result the scientists say is important because it provides information about the pulsar and its structure. They say a perfectly smooth neutron star will not generate gravitational waves as it spins, and that LIGO would have been able to detect gravitational waves from a star whose shape was deformed by only a few meters. [Emphasis added]"


Or that neutron stars are Fairie Dust to begin with, as are gravitational waves.

You can't even detect them from so-called neutron stars and black holes, yet they had the nerve to attempt to link them back billions of years in the past. Fairie Dust to prop up Fairie Dust.
 
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It's the arrogance not the scientific method that is at times hard to take.

Yes, mainstreams arrogance that only they have the correct theories even when constantly failing to match the actual data.

Although I do have a problem with those that claim to follow the scientific method, then treat plasma like it is just dust or gas. Then ask me to have faith in a big bang theory that incorrectly predicted 95% of the universe.

A theory that has over 100 undefined parameters so can basically be made to fit just about anything they can dream up. And now because they can't even get one universe right, they want to throw in multi-verses and blame it on them.

I mean they even considered those voids might be other universes intruding upon our own. That's scientifically valid, but electrical activity in a universe where it has been detected everywhere we have sent probes is not?

The sad thing is that lack of empirical science has crept into geology, meteorology and particle physics too. The other sciences have let cosmology dictate what they see, instead of the other sciences dictating to cosmology as it should be.
 
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Sure there is, so much we even had to joke about it. I mean it has to be a joke, right?

There's no back patting or falsification going on in the article in the op at all. Honestly Justa, I've absolutely zero interest in engaging in your plasma universe discussions. Least of all in a thread that has nothing to do with it.
 
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Big Bang breakthrough team allows they may be wrong

"We know that galactic dust emits polarized radiations. We see that in many areas of the sky, and what we pointed out in our paper is that pattern they have seen is just as consistent with the galactic dust radiations as with gravitational waves," Spergel told AFP last week.

Confirmation bias ...

They admit themselves that they might have been wrong and somehow this is "confirmation bias"? Really?

How about "intellectually honest"?
 
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Yes, mainstreams arrogance that only they have the correct theories even when constantly failing to match the actual data.

Although I do have a problem with those that claim to follow the scientific method, then treat plasma like it is just dust or gas. Then ask me to have faith in a big bang theory that incorrectly predicted 95% of the universe.

A theory that has over 100 undefined parameters so can basically be made to fit just about anything they can dream up. And now because they can't even get one universe right, they want to throw in multi-verses and blame it on them.

I mean they even considered those voids might be other universes intruding upon our own. That's scientifically valid, but electrical activity in a universe where it has been detected everywhere we have sent probes is not?

The sad thing is that lack of empirical science has crept into geology, meteorology and particle physics too. The other sciences have let cosmology dictate what they see, instead of the other sciences dictating to cosmology as it should be.

I find these "armchair scientists" on this board so funny...
Do you people every wonder why you are ranting about your "theories" on these religious boards instead of giving Nobel Prize speeches or university lectures?

If you think you can do better then the scientists in the field, you are welcome to try... do the work and submit your results for review - instead of ranting ad nauseum about these things on some forum.

I'm not going to pretend to understand a word of these fields of science. I don't have the math background nore the required knowledge of physics to have an opinion one way or the other. So I'll just go with current scientific consensus. You know, the consensus you are ranting against.

Again, if you think you know better, join the flock and do the work.

More worky, less talky.
 
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I find these "armchair scientists" on this board so funny...
Do you people every wonder why you are ranting about your "theories" on these religious boards instead of giving Nobel Prize speeches or university lectures?

If you think you can do better then the scientists in the field, you are welcome to try... do the work and submit your results for review - instead of ranting ad nauseum about these things on some forum.

I'm not going to pretend to understand a word of these fields of science. I don't have the math background nore the required knowledge of physics to have an opinion one way or the other. So I'll just go with current scientific consensus. You know, the consensus you are ranting against.

Again, if you think you know better, join the flock and do the work.

More worky, less talky.


And yet every prediction made by these so-called experts has been shown to be wrong. Not one or two - but every single one where probes have been sent to take measurements.

Because they are no longer practicing science, but preaching Dogma. So you need to live up to your screen name.

I don't need to submit papers, the plasma physicists and electrical engineers are doing it for me, being themselves tired of mainstreams Dogmatic beliefs.

http://www.plasmauniverse.info/downloadsCosmo/Peratt86TPS-II.pdf

But hey, you go right ahead believing those who have never taken a single course in plasma physics in a universe 99% plasma. Kind of a no-brainer as to who's opinions should carry the most weight.
 
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And yet every prediction made by these so-called experts has been shown to be wrong. Not one or two - but every single one where probes have been sent to take measurements.

Because they are no longer practicing science, but preaching Dogma.

See, this is how I can determine that you are just full of it...

When you need to invoke a global conspiracy among all publishing physicists, one can know that you don't have a strong case - or indeed any case at all.

It's the same with creationists... Instead of actually presenting a case for review to the appropriate scientific channels, they just go on a rant about how there's a conspiracy against them among millions of biologists around the world.

It's ridiculous.

But hey, you go right ahead believing those who have never taken a single course in plasma physics in a universe 99% plasma. Kind of a no-brainer as to who's opinions should carry the most weight.

I never took a course on voodoo either. And I don't need to to know that it's nonsense.
 
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So what is the issue here or point supposed to be? That science is working properly? That evidence is being examined and questioned and when its found potentially wanting that is made known?

This doesn't really help anyone who is against Science.

The problem is that astronomers are constantly guilty of ignoring the *most likely* cause of the observation in question, from gamma rays to polarized microwaves, in favor of their own pet claims.

Even when the bulk of the emissions were shown to be consistent with dust in our own galaxy as seen in Planck images, they *still insist* that there 'may be' some signal from their pantheon of supernatural entities. Its *still* confirmation bias at it's *worst*. If they can't be sure it's not just dust from our own galaxy, they absolutely cannot be certain it's not dust from *outside* of our galaxy!

Even when then talk about gamma rays which are known to be emitted from electrical discharges in bodies in our own solar system, they insist these emissions are related to 'exotic matter'! The confirmation bias is palpable and constant.

It's akin to cold fusion claims. Even when they're *shown* to be wrong in their methods, they still claim that some of the signal 'might be' cold fusion related! What a crock!
 
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I find these "armchair scientists" on this board so funny...
Do you people every wonder why you are ranting about your "theories" on these religious boards instead of giving Nobel Prize speeches or university lectures?

The mainstream handed Hannes Alfven a Nobel Prize in MHD theory and then they promptly ignored everything he ever said about the behaviors of space plasmas. What does a Nobel have to do with anything?

If you think you can do better then the scientists in the field, you are welcome to try... do the work and submit your results for review - instead of ranting ad nauseum about these things on some forum.

Been there, done that.

I'm not going to pretend to understand a word of these fields of science. I don't have the math background nore the required knowledge of physics to have an opinion one way or the other. So I'll just go with current scientific consensus. You know, the consensus you are ranting against.

That's a bit like a theist claiming to not know anything about the things the atheists are ranting about, so he'll just go with the 'consensus' on the topic of God.

Again, if you think you know better, join the flock and do the work.

Do you *actually* think that even Einstein's "work' was immediately accepted by the mainstream?

More worky, less talky.

What more "worky do I need" to be done in terms of empirical physics to simply reject supernatural nonsense? What *physical* evidence do you have that photons are in *any physical way* influenced by space expansion, inflation, dark energy, or exotic forms of matter? Zero!
 
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So what is the issue here or point supposed to be? That science is working properly? That evidence is being examined and questioned and when its found potentially wanting that is made known?

This doesn't really help anyone who is against Science.

The extent of the argumentativeness in this post is asinine. Why must you be so tribal as to assume anyone is somehow "against science?" It's siginificant that those first looking at the data wanted to see what they wanted, and it could be just dust. Obviously this means that our species is at the point of looking at an extremely fine resolution in the attempt to further our understanding ...
 
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The problem is that astronomers are constantly guilty of ignoring the *most likely* cause of the observation in question, from gamma rays to polarized microwaves, in favor of their own pet claims.

Even when the bulk of the emissions were shown to be consistent with dust in our own galaxy as seen in Planck images, they *still insist* that there 'may be' some signal from their pantheon of supernatural entities. Its *still* confirmation bias at it's *worst*. If they can't be sure it's not just dust from our own galaxy, they absolutely cannot be certain it's not dust from *outside* of our galaxy!

Even when then talk about gamma rays which are known to be emitted from electrical discharges in bodies in our own solar system, they insist these emissions are related to 'exotic matter'! The confirmation bias is palpable and constant.

It's akin to cold fusion claims. Even when they're *shown* to be wrong in their methods, they still claim that some of the signal 'might be' cold fusion related! What a crock!

Let me point out that they are being intellectually honest here, and admitting the possibility of error. That's a step in the right direction. A very big step. (Sorry I couldn't trim your post down so you could clearly see which part I was responding to)
 
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Let me point out that they are being intellectually honest here, and admitting the possibility of error. That's a step in the right direction. A very big step. (Sorry I couldn't trim your post down so you could clearly see which part I was responding to)

IMO it's only a very "big step" now because they were arrogant and stuck their foot in their mouth to start with. Had they been more cautious to begin with, they wouldn't have had to admit that they cried wolf. It's not all that intellectually honest however since polarized photons are empirically associated with dust and synchrotron radiation, whereas polarized photons have never been empirically connected to inflation. Even their current claim that the patterns disfavor a dust explanation is an excellent example of confirmation bias. They have *confirmed* associations between dust and those photons, and *no* empirical physical evidence that they are associated with inflation.
 
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Even their current claim that the patterns disfavor a dust explanation is an excellent example of confirmation bias. They have *confirmed* associations between dust and those photons, and *no* empirical physical evidence that they are associated with inflation.


That just deserved a repeat.

Exactly, the only evidence they have is that dust (plasma) causes polarization of photons. They have no other direct laboratory evidence that anything else can cause such. Not even a hint. They simply want it to be the case because their theories predict gravitational waves. Yet gravity has NEVER polarized a single light wave or photon, ever.


Polarization
 
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