Only two options for the origin of the universe

[DogmaHunter]

Refer to " Apologia of the Cosmos, Evidence of God Thread".

It is a thread on the Kalam

I have been presented with kalam and variations thereof more times then I can count. I never found it remotely convincing, so I'm going to go ahead and assume that nothing changed.

It's an argument that relies on mere words. When I ask for evidence, I want something a bit more then that.

So, do you have something that is more then just mere words?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Which premise do you object to and why?

We can debate it if you want.

Every premise has problems in WLC nonsense.

 

[DogmaHunter]

So my question is, how do you even pretend to have any standing to ask any of the questions you've asked in the last page or so? You have no knowledge of the subject, no grasp of God and no credential to suggest you have any interest in the subject. Other than a desperate and pathological need to deny it all.

Say good night, Gracie.

That's hilarious...

It's like saying that an expert on Greek mythology shouldn't be listened to when learning about Zeus because the expert doesn't actually believe the stories.

Not that I'm saying that bhsmt is an expert on the bible... He might be, I don't know.

I'm just saying: clearly he could be. One does not need to believe stories to know and understand said stories.