Only by leaving islam is there hope.

[Tim Myers]

"However, you are correct. Messianic Jews are Christians."

So, what is the difference between a Messianic Jew and a Messianic Muslim??

 

[Kufffar]

Without an identity, would it be okay to recycle the koran? Think green.

 

[b&wpac7]

"However, you are correct. Messianic Jews are Christians."

So, what is the difference between a Messianic Jew and a Messianic Muslim??

I've explained this. Please read and understand:

Being a Jew is more than practicing Judaism. One is either born a Jew or converts to become a Jew. This cannot be undone. If a Jew falls away from Judaism, or practices another religion, they are still a Jew.

Being a Muslim does not work that way. One is a Muslim due to practicing Islam. If one stops doing that, they cease to be a Muslim.

 

[Tim Myers]

"Without an identity, would it be okay to recycle the koran?"

You mean, put it through a shredder and make compost out it??

 

[Hentenza]

"However, you are correct. Messianic Jews are Christians."

So, what is the difference between a Messianic Jew and a Messianic Muslim??

There are no messianic muslims.

 

[Tim Myers]

"Being a Muslim does not work that way."

Neither does being a Jew........

 

[b&wpac7]

There are no messianic muslims.

Yes, pretty much.

 

[b&wpac7]

"Being a Muslim does not work that way."

Neither does being a Jew........

Are you being contrary on purpose?

 

[Kufffar]

"Without an identity, would it be okay to recycle the koran?"

You mean, put it through a shredder and make compost out it??

Well, yeah. What else can someone who lost her identity thru the koran and islam, do with her koran?

 

[Hentenza]

Being a Jew is more than practicing Judaism. One is either born a Jew or converts to become a Jew. This cannot be undone. If a Jew falls away from Judaism, or practices another religion, they are still a Jew.

I'm curious about this statement. If one converts to Judaism (no Jewish family roots) and then leaves Judaism, are they still a Jew?

 

[b&wpac7]

I'm curious about this statement. If one converts to Judaism (no Jewish family roots) and then leaves Judaism, are they still a Jew?

According to Orthodox belief, yes. At the moment of conversion one is considered to be the son or daughter of Abraham and Sarah. They are bound to the covenant and if they do not practice it, they will be seen as a non-observant Jew.

 

[Hentenza]

According to Orthodox belief, yes. At the moment of conversion one is considered to be the son or daughter of Abraham and Sarah. They are bound to the covenant and if they do not practice it, they will be seen as a non-observant Jew.

Thanks. Learned something new today.

 

[Tim Myers]

"There are no messianic muslims."

I know that....I was merely simplifying it for, b&wpac7

 

[b&wpac7]

"There are no messianic muslims."

I know that....I was merely simplifying it for, b&wpac7

You seem to be mistaken about these things and are not listening to someone who is educated in the matters.

 

[Tim Myers]

"I'm curious about this statement. If one converts to Judaism (no Jewish family roots) and then leaves Judaism, are they still a Jew?"

Yeah, that was the "contrary" point I was making as well....

 

[Tim Myers]

"You seem to be mistaken about these things and are not listening to someone who is educated in the matters."

Talk about irony....I was about to say the same thing....

 

[b&wpac7]

"You seem to be mistaken about these things and are not listening to someone who is educated in the matters."

Talk about irony....I was about to say the same thing....

I see you have no interest in understanding how being a Jew is in reality nor how being a Muslim is in reality.

 

[SithDoughnut]

"You seem to be mistaken about these things and are not listening to someone who is educated in the matters."

Talk about irony....I was about to say the same thing....

Let me have a go:

Judaism can in many ways be considered a culture as well as a religion. Messianic Judaism is essentially the Christian beliefs plus the Jewish customs and culture. While it has Judaism in the name, it is generally considered to be part of Christianity (there is disagreement on this, however).

Islam, however, does not work the same way. It directly contradicts the main principles of Christianity. While it is possible to incorporate elements of both religions into your beliefs, it is not possible to follow both religions simultaneously.

 

[Montalban]

Ah, forced conversions. Should I go fetch the Inquisition costumes?

Did the Inquisition force conversions?

 

[SithDoughnut]

Did the Inquisition force conversions?

Pretty much.