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One way or more than one way? This is the question!

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I will answer your question by asking a series of questions if that is ok? Now keep in mind. I am not giving you an "official Christian" answer. Because nobody can really answer that question with certainty. If they said that they knew the answer I would call them out on it. So this is just my belief that I have come to conclude for myself.

Question 1. What are Christian held accountable for in regards to sin and salvation?
Those who belong to Church of Christ are accountable for un-repented sins. They are also accountable for the sin against the Holy Ghost. This sin can not be forgiven neither in this life nor in life to come. I believe that God forgives those who sincerely repent.
 
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Hmm, if this is the true what you say then nobody really needs faith in Christ. Just live your life, believe in God (whatever you believe God is) or don't even believe in Christ but only feed the hungry and visit those who are in jail and later when it is Judgment Day you will be judged according to your works by Christ.
But if you are wrong and Jesus is the way to Father meaning: have faith in Christ as Savior and repent and follow Him-obey His will, then those who never had this opportunity to accept or to reject Christ will NEVER inherit kingdom of Father.
Jesus was never the way to Father for them but only for the lucky ones.
Matthew 25 says that Jesus is the way to the Father. He's the one who will separate the sheep and the goats. Earlier in Matthew he says that not all who say to him "Lord lord" will enter the Kingdom, only those who do the will of God. Live in charity, care for the least of these and this is how you call Christ your lord.
 
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Romans2:12 If one lives life without knowledge of the law-the teachings of the Torah-he will sin and die apart from the law. If someone else lives life under the law, his sin will be judged by what the law teaches. 13 Here's my point: just because a person hears the law read or recited does not mean he is right before the one True God; it is following the law that makes one right, not just hearing it. 14-15 For instance, some outsiders who are not required to follow the law often live quite naturally by its teachings. Even though the law wasn't given to them, in themselves they have the law. Here's the thing: their lives demonstrate that God has inscribed the law's teachings on their hearts. On judgment day, their consciences will testify for them, and their thoughts will both accuse and defend them. 16 This good news given to me declares that this affirmation and accusation will take place on that day when God, through Jesus, the Anointed One, judges every person's life secrets.
OK, if this is true then Christ is one way to Father for some, works and the law is the other way to Father for some. But I don't remember this: to whom did Christ say that He is the way but not for all, only for some lucky ones who have an opportunity to know the Gospel before the judgment day?
If what you say is true then Jesus did NOT die for all. Atonement is only for those who had an opportunity to accept or to reject Christ before the judgment day.
 
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Matthew 25 says that Jesus is the way to the Father. He's the one who will separate the sheep and the goats. Earlier in Matthew he says that not all who say to him "Lord lord" will enter the Kingdom, only those who do the will of God. Live in charity, care for the least of these and this is how you call Christ your lord.
Then this scripture teaches about those who KNEW about Christ, KNEW His will, KNEW His Gospel but chose to do evil. Jesus will NOT save them.
But I was asking about those who NEVER heard about Christ, NEVER knew WILL of God. How can they come to Father through Christ?
 
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Then this scripture teaches about those who KNEW about Christ, KNEW His will, KNEW His Gospel but chose to do evil. Jesus will NOT save them.
But I was asking about those who NEVER heard about Christ, NEVER knew WILL of God. How can they come to Father through Christ?
Oh, well there have been a number of thoughts concerning the theology of religions and interfaith dialogue. The phenomenon of religion is one of the most significant aspects of culture. Religion is universal, yet has great variety in its expression and interpretation. As long as cultures are in relatively infrequent contact with one another, this pluralism of expression has little significance; but when contact increases, and when mobility and change create situations of religious diversity within societies, the claims for universality and the fact of variety are confronted. The realisation of diversity creates the problem of recognising and co-existing with difference. In terms of a theology of religions, three distinct approaches are the most common: exclusivism, inclusivism and pluralism.

Exclusivism affirms that the complete truth is found only in one religion, usually in ones own. Believers perceive their religion to be true and only those who affirm the same religion to be saved. Inclusivism is the theoretical framework expressed specifically in Roman Catholicism after the Second Vatican Council, it purports that the self-revealing God of Christians is present and at work in and through the world's religions. Whatever truth and saving power are found in other religions is true and saving insofar and only as it relates to the truth affirmed by the Catholic Church. Pluralism is a theory formulated especially by John Hick, the famous philosopher of religion, this theory sees different religions as equally valid paths to the same goal. At its extreme, pluralism sees every religion as basically equivalent. People who espouse this belief tend to talk about "ultimate reality" and usually capitalise the letters to make what they say sound profound.

I don't really like any of these approaches. There's something that can be said about letting religions be religions rather than attempting an overarching harmonisation of them all. Exclusivism is altogether far too arrogant for my taste. Inclusivism harbours the assumptions of exclusivism and pluralism in fact is an altogether different exclusivism, excluding difference altogether. The most interesting inter-faith dialogues that I've seen (Thomas Merton, Louis Massignon) have been an attempt at viewing the difference in religion positively rather than negatively.
 
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Oh, well there have been a number of thoughts concerning the theology of religions and interfaith dialogue. The phenomenon of religion is one of the most significant aspects of culture. Religion is universal, yet has great variety in its expression and interpretation. As long as cultures are in relatively infrequent contact with one another, this pluralism of expression has little significance; but when contact increases, and when mobility and change create situations of religious diversity within societies, the claims for universality and the fact of variety are confronted. The realisation of diversity creates the problem of recognising and co-existing with difference. In terms of a theology of religions, three distinct approaches are the most common: exclusivism, inclusivism and pluralism.

Exclusivism affirms that the complete truth is found only in one religion, usually in ones own. Believers perceive their religion to be true and only those who affirm the same religion to be saved. Inclusivism is the theoretical framework expressed specifically in Roman Catholicism after the Second Vatican Council, it purports that the self-revealing God of Christians is present and at work in and through the world's religions. Whatever truth and saving power are found in other religions is true and saving insofar and only as it relates to the truth affirmed by the Catholic Church. Pluralism is a theory formulated especially by John Hick, the famous philosopher of religion, this theory sees different religions as equally valid paths to the same goal. At its extreme, pluralism sees every religion as basically equivalent. People who espouse this belief tend to talk about "ultimate reality" and usually capitalise the letters to make what they say sound profound.

I don't really like any of these approaches. There's something that can be said about letting religions be religions rather than attempting an overarching harmonisation of them all. Exclusivism is altogether far too arrogant for my taste. Inclusivism harbours the assumptions of exclusivism and pluralism in fact is an altogether different exclusivism, excluding difference altogether. The most interesting inter-faith dialogues that I've seen (Thomas Merton, Louis Massignon) have been an attempt at viewing the difference in religion positively rather than negatively.
Thanks for reply. But all I ask is this: Did Jesus(according to the Bible) say the truth that He is the way to Father?
Or laws and works are also way to Father?
 
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Thanks for reply. But all I ask is this: Did Jesus(according to the Bible) say the truth that He is the way to Father?
Or laws and works are also way to Father?
Oh, I don't think that those two are mutually exclusive. Jesus in Matthew was an interpretor of the Torah.
 
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But if you are wrong and Jesus is the way to Father meaning: have faith in Christ as Savior and repent and follow Him-obey His will, then those who never had this opportunity to accept or to reject Christ will NEVER inherit kingdom of Father.
Jesus was never the way to Father for them but only for the lucky ones.
It is not just luck.

"For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn of many brethren." (Romans 8:29)

So, included in our salvation is we are conformed to the image of Jesus. This does not come only with doing good works which can be physical and outward. God changes us to be like Jesus. This does not come with only our own trying.

But I was asking about those who NEVER heard about Christ, NEVER knew WILL of God. How can they come to Father through Christ?
Jesus says, "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent me draws him" (in John 6:44). Also, we have >

"'It is written in the prophets, "And they shall all be taught by God." Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.'" (John 6:45)

So, Alla . . . anyone who has truly heard God and learned from Him comes to Jesus.

But Jesus does say > in Luke 12:45-48 > that there will be people who do not know but they will be beaten with stripes, for what is deserving of stripes. So, to me this shows that people who do not know can be punished for what is wrong, including for not obeying Jesus. For me personally, this means I need to not be trying to make excuses for not knowing what God wants.

Oh, I don't think that those two are mutually exclusive. Jesus in Matthew was an interpreter of the Torah.
Jesus is not only an interpreter, but Jesus has come to fulfill the Torah (Matthew 5:17); therefore, I would way, Jesus is not just a "substitute" for the Law, but Jesus is the fulfillment of the Torah :)
 
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Jesus is not only an interpreter, but Jesus has come to fulfill the Torah (Matthew 5:17); therefore, I would way, Jesus is not just a "substitute" for the Law, but Jesus is the fulfillment of the Torah :)
Yes, Jesus claimed some kind of fulfilment of the Torah and various other texts that came to be the Old Testament. In Matthew he is portrayed as one like Moses, an interpreter of the Torah, engaging in debates about Torah and its interpretation with various other religious authorities within Judaism.
 
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Yes, Jesus claimed some kind of fulfilment of the Torah and various other texts that came to be the Old Testament. In Matthew he is portrayed as one like Moses, an interpreter of the Torah, engaging in debates about Torah and its interpretation with various other religious authorities within Judaism.
Yes :) but :)

I see that Jesus is the living meaning of all the Torah says. He is our example of all the Torah means . . . for how to be and how to love . . . for all the Torah is intended to accomplish.

"Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor." (Galatians 3:24-25)

So, I consider that Jesus and faith in Jesus does more than the law can do.

So - - staying with what Alla is talking and asking about > good works of the law do not save us or make us right with God. But we need how the Holy Spirit in us changes us >

"not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit," (Titus 3:5)

His mercy, Alla, includes how God actually changes us in our character so now we are loving the way He desires and doing what He wants . . . succeeding . . . more and more as we grow in His love curing our nature > 1 John 4:17-18. Therefore, God's mercy with grace is not only "distant" forgiving by God out there somewhere on a throne; but in us God is working all He desires > Philippians 2:13. And He is changing us so we are pleasing to Him, in His gentle and quiet love >

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

And if we are learning truly with Jesus > "you will find rest for your souls" (in Matthew 11:28-30).

"But the way of the unfaithful is hard," we have in Proverbs 13:15.
 
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I see that Jesus is the living meaning of all the Torah says. He is our example of all the Torah means . . . for how to be and how to love . . . for all the Torah is intended to accomplish.
I think I see things a little differently. I find the Christian attitudes to the OT to be a matter of patristic writings rather than a matter of Jesus' own teachings or those of St Paul. Jesus and Paul were still Jews and still practised Judaism; Christians living in the third and fourth centuries were explicit in differentiating Judaism from Christianity.
 
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So, if Matthew 25:31-46 is the answer to my question then it will be people who never heard about Christ, never had faith in Him, never accepted Him as their Savior, never followed Christ but they will be on the right hand of the King and they will inherit the kingdom of God.
Then Jesus Christ is NOT the ONLY way to Father.
Yes, I think he still is, because look at who is sitting on the throne separating away those sheep and letting them inherit the kingdom: Jesus. He remains the gatekeeper, even on that judgment day.

If Matthew 25:31-46 is the answer to my question then it will be people who never heard about Christ, never had faith in Him, never accepted Him as their Savior, never followed Christ and they will be on the left hand of the King and they will NOT inherit kingdom of God.
God did NOT give them a chance TO ACCEPT or TO REJECT Christ. It means that Jesus died only for the lucky ones and NOT for ALL.
Lucky? No: loving.

Please look again at the criteria Jesus is using to accept the sheep: their love for others. The New Testament is clear that all of us are sinners, yet one New Testament principle is this: "Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins. (1 Peter 4:8)".

This parable is proof that God is not unjust: even if someone never heard the gospel (and in the history of the human race that's a lot of people) they can still be accepted by God and their sins covered if they were loving.

One of the things that makes the gospel such "good news" is that we can KNOW for certain that our old sins have already been forgiven. That assurance is worth a lot!
 
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1)Jesus Christ did not die for ALL but only for the lucky ones. the lucky ones who had an opportunity to ACCEPT Christ.
Or,
2) if they can enter Father's presence without Christ then Jesus Christ is NOT the ONLY way.

I apologize for the late reply. I got busy trying to get the kids to bed. The question about what happens to those who never had the opportunity to know Jesus is a rather difficult question to answer. I understand that the Book Of Mormon has some insight into this matter however as you know, I do not believe in the book of Mormon. I don't think anyone really knows for sure what happens to those who never heard of Christ at no fault of their own and if someone says that they absolutely know for sure I would call them out on it. Like I said, I do not know for sure but I have my own opinion based on what we do know about God's attributes and what God holds people accountable for. Of course, God holds us accountable for sin. So in order for me to answer this question we first need to understand what is "sin" and what is God's attributes?

SIN
Sin is described in the Bible as transgression of the law of God (1 John 3:4) and rebellion against God (Deuteronomy 9:7; Joshua 1:18). Sin had its beginning with Lucifer, probably the most beautiful and powerful of the angels. Not content with his position, he desired to be higher than God, and that was his downfall, the beginning of sin (Isaiah 14:12-15). Renamed Satan, he brought sin to the human race in the Garden of Eden, where he tempted Adam and Eve with the same enticement, “you shall be like God.” Genesis 3 describes Adam and Eve’s rebellion against God and against His command. Since that time, sin has been passed down through all the generations of mankind and we, Adam’s descendants, have inherited sin from him. Romans 5:12 tells us that through Adam sin entered the world, and so death was passed on to all men because “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23).

Through Adam, the inherent inclination to sin entered the human race, and human beings became sinners by nature. When Adam sinned, his inner nature was transformed by his sin of rebellion, bringing to him spiritual death and depravity which would be passed on to all who came after him. We are sinners not because we sin; rather, we sin because we are sinners. This passed-on depravity is known as inherited sin. Just as we inherit physical characteristics from our parents, we inherit our sinful natures from Adam. King David lamented this condition of fallen human nature in Psalm 51:5: “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.”

Another type of sin is known as imputed sin. Used in both financial and legal settings, the Greek word translated “imputed” means “to take something that belongs to someone and credit it to another’s account.” Before the Law of Moses was given, sin was not imputed to man, although men were still sinners because of inherited sin. After the Law was given, sins committed in violation of the Law were imputed (accounted) to them (Romans 5:13). Even before transgressions of the law were imputed to men, the ultimate penalty for sin (death) continued to reign (Romans 5:14). All humans, from Adam to Moses, were subject to death, not because of their sinful acts against the Mosaic Law (which they did not have), but because of their own inherited sinful nature. After Moses, humans were subject to death both because of inherited sin from Adam and imputed sin from violating the laws of God.

God used the principle of imputation to benefit mankind when He imputed the sin of believers to the account of Jesus Christ, who paid the penalty for that sin—death—on the cross. Imputing our sin to Jesus, God treated Him as if He were a sinner, though He was not, and had Him die for the sins of the entire world (1 John 2:2). It is important to understand that sin was imputed to Him, but He did not inherit it from Adam. He bore the penalty for sin, but He never became a sinner. His pure and perfect nature was untouched by sin. He was treated as though He were guilty of all the sins ever committed by the human race, even though He committed none. In exchange, God imputed the righteousness of Christ to believers and credited our accounts with His righteousness, just as He had credited our sins to Christ’s account (2 Corinthians 5:21).

A third type of sin is personal sin, that which is committed every day by every human being. Because we have inherited a sin nature from Adam, we commit individual, personal sins, everything from seemingly innocent untruths to murder. Those who have not placed their faith in Jesus Christ must pay the penalty for these personal sins, as well as inherited and imputed sin. However, believers have been freed from the eternal penalty of sin—hell and spiritual death—but now we also have the power to resist sinning. Now we can choose whether or not to commit personal sins because we have the power to resist sin through the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, sanctifying and convicting us of our sins when we do commit them (Romans 8:9-11). Once we confess our personal sins to God and ask forgiveness for them, we are restored to perfect fellowship and communion with Him. “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9).

We are all three times condemned due to inherited sin, imputed sin, and personal sin. The only just penalty for this sin is death (Romans 6:23), not just physical death but eternal death (Revelation 20:11-15). Thankfully, inherited sin, imputed sin, and personal sin have all been crucified on the cross of Jesus, and now by faith in Jesus Christ as the Savior “we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace” (Ephesians 1:7).

THE ATTRIBUTES OF GOD

The Bible, God’s Word, tells us what God is like and what He is not like. Without the authority of the Bible, any attempt to explain God’s attributes would be no better than an opinion, which by itself is often incorrect, especially in understanding God (Job 42:7). To say that it is important for us to try to understand what God is like is a huge understatement. Failure to do so can cause us to set up, chase after, and worship false gods contrary to His will (Exodus 20:3-5).

Only what God has chosen to reveal of Himself can be known. One of God's attributes or qualities is “light,” meaning that He is self-revealing in information of Himself (Isaiah 60:19; James 1:17). The fact that God has revealed knowledge of Himself should not be neglected (Hebrews 4:1). Creation, the Bible, and the Word made flesh (Jesus Christ) will help us to know what God is like.

Reading through some of the names of God can be helpful in our search of what God is like. They are as follows:

Elohim - strong One, divine (Genesis 1:1)
Adonai - Lord, indicating a Master-to-servant relationship (Exodus 4:10, 13)
El Elyon - Most High, the strongest One (Genesis 14:20)
El Roi - the strong One who sees (Genesis 16:13)
El Shaddai - Almighty God (Genesis 17:1)
El Olam - Everlasting God (Isaiah 40:28)
Yahweh - LORD “I Am,” meaning the eternal self-existent God (Exodus 3:13, 14).

God is eternal, meaning He had no beginning and His existence will never end. He is immortal and infinite (Deuteronomy 33:27; Psalm 90:2; 1 Timothy 1:17). God is immutable, meaning He is unchanging; this in turn means that God is absolutely reliable and trustworthy (Malachi 3:6; Numbers 23:19; Psalm 102:26, 27). God is incomparable; there is no one like Him in works or being. He is unequaled and perfect (2 Samuel 7:22; Psalm 86:8; Isaiah 40:25; Matthew 5:48). God is inscrutable, unfathomable, unsearchable, and past finding out as far as understanding Him completely (Isaiah 40:28; Psalm 145:3; Romans 11:33, 34).

God is just; He is no respecter of persons in the sense of showing favoritism (Deuteronomy 32:4; Psalm 18:30). God is omnipotent; He is all-powerful and can do anything that pleases Him, but His actions will always be in accord with the rest of His character (Revelation 19:6; Jeremiah 32:17, 27). God is omnipresent, meaning He is present everywhere, but this does not mean that God is everything (Psalm 139:7-13; Jeremiah 23:23). God is omniscient, meaning He knows the past, present, and future, including what we are thinking at any given moment. Since He knows everything, His justice will always be administered fairly (Psalm 139:1-5; Proverbs 5:21).

God is one; not only is there no other, but He is alone in being able to meet the deepest needs and longings of our hearts. God alone is worthy of our worship and devotion (Deuteronomy 6:4). God is righteous, meaning that God cannot and will not pass over wrongdoing. It is because of God’s righteousness and justice that, in order for our sins to be forgiven, Jesus had to experience God's wrath when our sins were placed upon Him (Exodus 9:27; Matthew 27:45-46; Romans 3:21-26).

God is sovereign, meaning He is supreme. All of His creation put together cannot thwart His purposes (Psalm 93:1; 95:3; Jeremiah 23:20). God is spirit, meaning He is invisible (John 1:18; 4:24). God is a Trinity. He is three in one, the same in substance, equal in power and glory. God is truth, He will remain incorruptible and cannot lie (Psalm 117:2; 1 Samuel 15:29).

God is holy, separated from all moral defilement and hostile toward it. God sees all evil and it angers Him. God is referred to as a consuming fire (Isaiah 6:3; Habakkuk 1:13; Exodus 3:2, 4-5; Hebrews 12:29). God is gracious, and His grace includes His goodness, kindness, mercy, and love. If it were not for God's grace, His holiness would exclude us from His presence. Thankfully, this is not the case, for He desires to know each of us personally (Exodus 34:6; Psalm 31:19; 1 Peter 1:3; John 3:16, 17:3).

Since God is an infinite Being, no human can fully answer this God-sized question, but through God’s Word, we can understand much about who God is and what He is like. May we all wholeheartedly continue to seek after Him (Jeremiah 29:13).


CONCLUSION

Now I have to emphasize that what I am about to say is not specifically mentioned in the bible. This is my own personal belief. The simple answer to your question is "Yes and No". After putting all this information together that we know from the bible I would have to say that there is only one path to salvation. If there is more than one path, that would make Jesus' statement in John 14:6 false! So I have to believe that Jesus is the only way. So the question is "Is there more than one way to attain salvation through Jesus?".

By looking at the attributes of God we know that God is absolutely reliable and trustworthy, unequaled and perfect. God is just. He is all-powerful and can do anything that pleases Him, but His actions will always be in accord with the rest of His character. He is present everywhere. Historically, we know that God only held people accountable for what was revealed to His people. God did not hold people accountable for knowing Jesus before Christ was born. King David, Moses, Aaron, Daniel, ect, did not go to hell because they did not know Christ. They were saved because they followed the Laws of Moses and made sacrifices to atone for their sin. What about the saints before Moses? Did Able, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, ect, go to hell because they did not follow the Laws of Moses? No, because God did not hold man accountable for something that he did not reveal to them. However:

Romans 2:12-16 (NIV)

"All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ declares."

Now I do not think that it is the 600+ laws of the OT that is being discussed here but rather it is the two commandments that Jesus gave.


Matthew 22:37-40(NIV)
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Thus, I have to believe that God is Just and perfect. Because His knowledge is infinite, I can assume that he will judge perfectly by taking all information into account. Because he knows the nature of someone's heart, he will know that if someone was given the opportunity to know Jesus what decision that person would make and will judge accordingly. I don't believe that anyone will feel like they are being treated unfairly when they are judged by God. There will be no appeals or accusations of a mistrial. If anyone is to be condemned to hell that individual will know that their judgment was well deserved.
 
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I apologize for the late reply. I got busy trying to get the kids to bed. The question about what happens to those who never had the opportunity to know Jesus is a rather difficult question to answer. I understand that the Book Of Mormon has some insight into this matter however as you know, I do not believe in the book of Mormon. I don't think anyone really knows for sure what happens to those who never heard of Christ at no fault of their own and if someone says that they absolutely know for sure I would call them out on it. Like I said, I do not know for sure but I have my own opinion based on what we do know about God's attributes and what God holds people accountable for. Of course, God holds us accountable for sin. So in order for me to answer this question we first need to understand what is "sin" and what is God's attributes?

SIN
Sin is described in the Bible as transgression of the law of God (1 John 3:4) and rebellion against God (Deuteronomy 9:7; Joshua 1:18). Sin had its beginning with Lucifer, probably the most beautiful and powerful of the angels. Not content with his position, he desired to be higher than God, and that was his downfall, the beginning of sin (Isaiah 14:12-15). Renamed Satan, he brought sin to the human race in the Garden of Eden, where he tempted Adam and Eve with the same enticement, “you shall be like God.” Genesis 3 describes Adam and Eve’s rebellion against God and against His command. Since that time, sin has been passed down through all the generations of mankind and we, Adam’s descendants, have inherited sin from him. Romans 5:12 tells us that through Adam sin entered the world, and so death was passed on to all men because “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23).

Through Adam, the inherent inclination to sin entered the human race, and human beings became sinners by nature. When Adam sinned, his inner nature was transformed by his sin of rebellion, bringing to him spiritual death and depravity which would be passed on to all who came after him. We are sinners not because we sin; rather, we sin because we are sinners. This passed-on depravity is known as inherited sin. Just as we inherit physical characteristics from our parents, we inherit our sinful natures from Adam. King David lamented this condition of fallen human nature in Psalm 51:5: “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.”

Another type of sin is known as imputed sin. Used in both financial and legal settings, the Greek word translated “imputed” means “to take something that belongs to someone and credit it to another’s account.” Before the Law of Moses was given, sin was not imputed to man, although men were still sinners because of inherited sin. After the Law was given, sins committed in violation of the Law were imputed (accounted) to them (Romans 5:13). Even before transgressions of the law were imputed to men, the ultimate penalty for sin (death) continued to reign (Romans 5:14). All humans, from Adam to Moses, were subject to death, not because of their sinful acts against the Mosaic Law (which they did not have), but because of their own inherited sinful nature. After Moses, humans were subject to death both because of inherited sin from Adam and imputed sin from violating the laws of God.

God used the principle of imputation to benefit mankind when He imputed the sin of believers to the account of Jesus Christ, who paid the penalty for that sin—death—on the cross. Imputing our sin to Jesus, God treated Him as if He were a sinner, though He was not, and had Him die for the sins of the entire world (1 John 2:2). It is important to understand that sin was imputed to Him, but He did not inherit it from Adam. He bore the penalty for sin, but He never became a sinner. His pure and perfect nature was untouched by sin. He was treated as though He were guilty of all the sins ever committed by the human race, even though He committed none. In exchange, God imputed the righteousness of Christ to believers and credited our accounts with His righteousness, just as He had credited our sins to Christ’s account (2 Corinthians 5:21).

A third type of sin is personal sin, that which is committed every day by every human being. Because we have inherited a sin nature from Adam, we commit individual, personal sins, everything from seemingly innocent untruths to murder. Those who have not placed their faith in Jesus Christ must pay the penalty for these personal sins, as well as inherited and imputed sin. However, believers have been freed from the eternal penalty of sin—hell and spiritual death—but now we also have the power to resist sinning. Now we can choose whether or not to commit personal sins because we have the power to resist sin through the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, sanctifying and convicting us of our sins when we do commit them (Romans 8:9-11). Once we confess our personal sins to God and ask forgiveness for them, we are restored to perfect fellowship and communion with Him. “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9).

We are all three times condemned due to inherited sin, imputed sin, and personal sin. The only just penalty for this sin is death (Romans 6:23), not just physical death but eternal death (Revelation 20:11-15). Thankfully, inherited sin, imputed sin, and personal sin have all been crucified on the cross of Jesus, and now by faith in Jesus Christ as the Savior “we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace” (Ephesians 1:7).

THE ATTRIBUTES OF GOD

The Bible, God’s Word, tells us what God is like and what He is not like. Without the authority of the Bible, any attempt to explain God’s attributes would be no better than an opinion, which by itself is often incorrect, especially in understanding God (Job 42:7). To say that it is important for us to try to understand what God is like is a huge understatement. Failure to do so can cause us to set up, chase after, and worship false gods contrary to His will (Exodus 20:3-5).

Only what God has chosen to reveal of Himself can be known. One of God's attributes or qualities is “light,” meaning that He is self-revealing in information of Himself (Isaiah 60:19; James 1:17). The fact that God has revealed knowledge of Himself should not be neglected (Hebrews 4:1). Creation, the Bible, and the Word made flesh (Jesus Christ) will help us to know what God is like.

Reading through some of the names of God can be helpful in our search of what God is like. They are as follows:

Elohim - strong One, divine (Genesis 1:1)
Adonai - Lord, indicating a Master-to-servant relationship (Exodus 4:10, 13)
El Elyon - Most High, the strongest One (Genesis 14:20)
El Roi - the strong One who sees (Genesis 16:13)
El Shaddai - Almighty God (Genesis 17:1)
El Olam - Everlasting God (Isaiah 40:28)
Yahweh - LORD “I Am,” meaning the eternal self-existent God (Exodus 3:13, 14).

God is eternal, meaning He had no beginning and His existence will never end. He is immortal and infinite (Deuteronomy 33:27; Psalm 90:2; 1 Timothy 1:17). God is immutable, meaning He is unchanging; this in turn means that God is absolutely reliable and trustworthy (Malachi 3:6; Numbers 23:19; Psalm 102:26, 27). God is incomparable; there is no one like Him in works or being. He is unequaled and perfect (2 Samuel 7:22; Psalm 86:8; Isaiah 40:25; Matthew 5:48). God is inscrutable, unfathomable, unsearchable, and past finding out as far as understanding Him completely (Isaiah 40:28; Psalm 145:3; Romans 11:33, 34).

God is just; He is no respecter of persons in the sense of showing favoritism (Deuteronomy 32:4; Psalm 18:30). God is omnipotent; He is all-powerful and can do anything that pleases Him, but His actions will always be in accord with the rest of His character (Revelation 19:6; Jeremiah 32:17, 27). God is omnipresent, meaning He is present everywhere, but this does not mean that God is everything (Psalm 139:7-13; Jeremiah 23:23). God is omniscient, meaning He knows the past, present, and future, including what we are thinking at any given moment. Since He knows everything, His justice will always be administered fairly (Psalm 139:1-5; Proverbs 5:21).

God is one; not only is there no other, but He is alone in being able to meet the deepest needs and longings of our hearts. God alone is worthy of our worship and devotion (Deuteronomy 6:4). God is righteous, meaning that God cannot and will not pass over wrongdoing. It is because of God’s righteousness and justice that, in order for our sins to be forgiven, Jesus had to experience God's wrath when our sins were placed upon Him (Exodus 9:27; Matthew 27:45-46; Romans 3:21-26).

God is sovereign, meaning He is supreme. All of His creation put together cannot thwart His purposes (Psalm 93:1; 95:3; Jeremiah 23:20). God is spirit, meaning He is invisible (John 1:18; 4:24). God is a Trinity. He is three in one, the same in substance, equal in power and glory. God is truth, He will remain incorruptible and cannot lie (Psalm 117:2; 1 Samuel 15:29).

God is holy, separated from all moral defilement and hostile toward it. God sees all evil and it angers Him. God is referred to as a consuming fire (Isaiah 6:3; Habakkuk 1:13; Exodus 3:2, 4-5; Hebrews 12:29). God is gracious, and His grace includes His goodness, kindness, mercy, and love. If it were not for God's grace, His holiness would exclude us from His presence. Thankfully, this is not the case, for He desires to know each of us personally (Exodus 34:6; Psalm 31:19; 1 Peter 1:3; John 3:16, 17:3).

Since God is an infinite Being, no human can fully answer this God-sized question, but through God’s Word, we can understand much about who God is and what He is like. May we all wholeheartedly continue to seek after Him (Jeremiah 29:13).


CONCLUSION

Now I have to emphasize that what I am about to say is not specifically mentioned in the bible. This is my own personal belief. The simple answer to your question is "Yes and No". After putting all this information together that we know from the bible I would have to say that there is only one path to salvation. If there is more than one path, that would make Jesus' statement in John 14:6 false! So I have to believe that Jesus is the only way. So the question is "Is there more than one way to attain salvation through Jesus?".

By looking at the attributes of God we know that God is absolutely reliable and trustworthy, unequaled and perfect. God is just. He is all-powerful and can do anything that pleases Him, but His actions will always be in accord with the rest of His character. He is present everywhere. Historically, we know that God only held people accountable for what was revealed to His people. God did not hold people accountable for knowing Jesus before Christ was born. King David, Moses, Aaron, Daniel, ect, did not go to hell because they did not know Christ. They were saved because they followed the Laws of Moses and made sacrifices to atone for their sin. What about the saints before Moses? Did Able, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, ect, go to hell because they did not follow the Laws of Moses? No, because God did not hold man accountable for something that he did not reveal to them. However:

Romans 2:12-16 (NIV)

"All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ declares."

Now I do not think that it is the 600+ laws of the OT that is being discussed here but rather it is the two commandments that Jesus gave.


Matthew 22:37-40(NIV)
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Thus, I have to believe that God is Just and perfect. Because His knowledge in infinite, I can assume that he will judge perfectly by taking all information into account. Because he knows the nature of someone's heart, he will know that if someone was given the opportunity to know Jesus what decision that person would make and will judge accordingly. I don't believe that anyone will feel like they are being treated unfairly when they are judged by God. There will be no appeals or accusations of a mistrial. If anyone is to be condemned to hell that individual will know that their judgment was well deserved.
Yes, it is a long post. But I will read it and respond later. I have to do something now in real world. So, see you later.
 
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I think I see things a little differently. I find the Christian attitudes to the OT to be a matter of patristic writings rather than a matter of Jesus' own teachings or those of St Paul. Jesus and Paul were still Jews and still practised Judaism; Christians living in the third and fourth centuries were explicit in differentiating Judaism from Christianity.
:) I "kind of" thought you have a different idea lolololololol Possibly, I should have been simply more straightforward, instead of giving you a lecture. Sorry.

Yes, in Acts 21:18-29 it does say Paul went to the temple to keep a vow; and he was told to do this, in order to show Jews that he kept the law. But this was in Jerusalem. And Paul says, "to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews", in 1 Corinthians 9:19-23. So, I consider he did that in order to reach to Jews, but that he did not always do every detail of the law, which Jews did. But I can fool myself; I need to pray for honesty; so thanks :)
 
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I'm still not that I know exactly what it is that the OP is wanting, exactly to discuss.

Is the discussion about what Jesus means in John ch. 14? Is it the question of how one can "go to heaven"? Or how one is saved?

What, exactly, is the topic for discussion?

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I'm still not that I know exactly what it is that the OP is wanting, exactly to discuss.

Is the discussion about what Jesus means in John ch. 14? Is it the question of how one can "go to heaven"? Or how one is saved?

What, exactly, is the topic for discussion?

-CryptoLutheran
How many ways are there to enter Kingdom of God?
 
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How many ways are there to enter Kingdom of God?

In the Gospel according to St. John we have Christ in his discussion with Nicodemus saying that one must be born again/born from above to see God's reign, and repeats it again by asserting that one must be born of water and the spirit. Historic Christian teaching holds that the birth of water and spirit--i.e. the new birth--describes the Sacrament of Holy Baptism.

God's kingdom or reign not being a place we go, but being the reality of God's royal power and authority as unveiled in and through Christ for the world. God's kingdom isn't a location, but the reality of God being king, which is manifest in the crucified, risen, and ascended Lord Jesus who reigns at the right hand of the Father and is Lord over all. Through Baptism we are made members of Christ's Church, members and partakers of Christ (His death and resurrection), have received the gift of the Holy Spirit, and share in the promises of God in the Gospel hoping and believing here and now for that future Day when God will set all things right, when the Lord Christ will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead.

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The question about what happens to those who never had the opportunity to know Jesus is a rather difficult question to answer.
OK, I understand.
I understand that the Book Of Mormon has some insight into this matter however as you know, I do not believe in the book of Mormon.
That's OK, we will not discuss the Book of Mormon.
Now I have to emphasize that what I am about to say is not specifically mentioned in the bible. This is my own personal belief. The simple answer to your question is "Yes and No". After putting all this information together that we know from the bible I would have to say that there is only one path to salvation. If there is more than one path, that would make Jesus' statement in John 14:6 false! So I have to believe that Jesus is the only way. So the question is "Is there more than one way to attain salvation through Jesus?".
I don't mind to hear your opinion(understanding). I read all post. Now that I know your thinking/ideas, could you please one more time in a fewer words make a list of different ways to Father through Jesus. So, I can be sure that I understand you correctly.
I also later want to discuss with you some things that you said in your long :) post. It would be interesting to discuss with you.
 
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