One thing I've always wanted to do

[wherdaluv]

I have always wanted to baptize somebody. I think it would be an honor and priveledge to do this. To help in the persons obedience to our Lord's command and see there death to self and ressurection to new life in Christ. Being buried with him in death and raised with him in resurrection. What a joy this would be for me to baptize someone.

 

[sunshinejennii]

Hey, im the other way round, when i get baptised i dont actually want my minister to do it, i figure it doesnt have to be him (lets not start the scriptual arguing im just putting across my wishes). There are a number of people within the church who've helped me spiritually grow and it would be much more symbolic for me if they did it. Since im not getting baptised just yet its not really an issue though.

 

[kayanne]

I think it's cool when a parent baptizes his own child!

 

[Asar'el]

This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

I have, and do, desire that office; and it is a good thing. But God has not given it to me, and it is His to give. For a long time I've wrestled with that, but the lesson is always, to obey is better than sacrifice...

I appreciate your desire - and again I say, it is good! - but I would caution you not to take into your own hands what God has not chosen to give you.

 

[sunshinejennii]

o i wont and my views may change between now ang arranging my baptism. at the end of the day my personal sign of commitment to God is the most important thing.

 

[theseed]

Where in the bible does it say that one must be an ordained minister to baptize. In Matt. 28:19-20, it specifies that all of us should make disciples and baptize.

 

[P_G]

I say go for it!

The only rub you might end up with is that
some churches will not accept a lay baptism for membership into
the church. They will only accept an ordained minister to have done the
Baptism.

Now I have a similar situation comming in a few weeks
Dad would like to baptize his son and daughter
And so he shall
I will witness the baptism and issue a baptisimal certificate for them.

But once that person makes that commitment to be baptized and shares in the
death and resurection they are surely baptized no matter who did the dunking.


Blessings

Pastor George

 

[Andyman_1970]

Hey, im the other way round, when i get baptised i dont actually want my minister to do it, i figure it doesnt have to be him (lets not start the scriptual arguing im just putting across my wishes). There are a number of people within the church who've helped me spiritually grow and it would be much more symbolic for me if they did it. Since im not getting baptised just yet its not really an issue though.

I know of a church where that is how they do their baptisms. They have a huge cattle tank they put in the middle of the sanctuary, and the canidates line up with who they desire to baptise them (friend, parent, mentor, etc.), the pastor "officiates" the cerimony, but does not do the "dunking".

I think that is very cool.

 

[theseed]

here's another rub:

The baptism is always public for Baptists, and it automatically makes one a member of that church. So, if you are not a minister of a church, then the person you baptize as not affiliaiton with any church. This can be a problem later on when they want to become a member of another church; they would have no membership to transfer, and would need to get re-baptized.

Often at my chruch, people will get permission to baptize famiy members and others they ahve discipled.

 

[Andyman_1970]

they would have no membership to transfer, and would need to get re-baptized.

What a wonderful non-biblical doctrine we as Baptist sometimes adhere to.

 

[theseed]

What a wonderful non-biblical doctrine we as Baptist sometimes adhere to.

There is an difference between non-biblical and unbiblical

 

[Andyman_1970]

There is an difference between non-biblical and unbiblical

I would say the "doctrine" of re-baptizing someone would qualify as both, IMO. (I'm not trying to get into a big "back and fourth" with you Seed)

 

[sunshinejennii]

here's another rub:

The baptism is always public for Baptists, and it automatically makes one a member of that church. So, if you are not a minister of a church, then the person you baptize as not affiliaiton with any church. This can be a problem later on when they want to become a member of another church; they would have no membership to transfer, and would need to get re-baptized.

actually i dont think thats quite true. although in our church people who are baptised generally become members they can choose not to. also we have (particularly recently) had quite a few people start attending our church who have grown up in anglican or methodist churchs and feel our church is more appropriate, someone nominates them for membership and one sunday they gain membership. so hyperthetically if i was baptised by some whos discipled me then i could still become a member of the church. as it happens since im off to university soon and will probably stay there when i graduate if i were baptised before i leave i wouldnt want membership because i'll be joining another church soon. it is possible legistically.

 

[theseed]

actually i dont think thats quite true

Actually its typically true, has been for thousand of years, if you are bapitized as a Roman Catholic or Lutheran, you are apart of thier church.

so hyperthetically if i was baptised by some whos discipled me then i could still become a member of the church.

Base on your word alone

i graduate if i were baptised before i leave i wouldnt want membership because i'll be joining another church soon. it is possible legistically.

You mean logisitically? Also, you can have your membership transfered. And what if that church wants to know if you were baptized? Are you sure they will take your word for it?

 

[theseed]

I would say the "doctrine" of re-baptizing someone would qualify as both, IMO. (I'm not trying to get into a big "back and fourth" with you Seed)

First, if Baptist teach it, then it must not be unbiblical. Why is re-baptizing somebody necessary? Because we want to to be true to the Scriptures and practice believer's baptism.

If I were to join the RCC, they would want to baptize me. And this would be re-baptism. This is probably true for Lutherans as well.

 

[Andyman_1970]

First, if Baptist teach it, then it must not be unbiblical. Why is re-baptizing somebody necessary? Because we want to to be true to the Scriptures and practice believer's baptism.

If this hypothetical person is already a believer, then what's the point of re-baptising? Because our baptism is better than theirs? This sounds like (from the prior post) membership is confered at baptism BY the staff member.............chapter and verse please?

If I were to join the RCC, they would want to baptize me. And this would be re-baptism. This is probably true for Lutherans as well.

That's why I'm neither RCC or Lutheran (both of which believe in the doctrine of regenerational baptism, not a baptism doctrine last time I checked, which is why they insist on "re-baptism")

 

[theseed]

If this hypothetical person is already a believer, then what's the point of re-baptising? Because our baptism is better than theirs? This sounds like (from the prior post) membership is confered at baptism BY the staff member.............chapter and verse please?

So you know for a fact that they are baptized.

 

[Andyman_1970]

So you know for a fact that they are baptized.

So trusting someone who says they are a follower of Jesus and that they have been baptised is not adequate?

 

[theseed]

So trusting someone who says they are a follower of Jesus and that they have been baptised is not adequate?

Correct, they can lie.

 

[Andyman_1970]

Correct, they can lie.

So we are not suppose to trust one another? Really?

How will the world know us?

By our baptism?

Because we are doctrinally sound and have the verses to prove it?

Because of the fish on our car?

Because we are always right?

What does Jesus say how the world will know us?​

I would say that answer conflicts with "not trusting one another".