One thing I've always wanted to do

[sunshinejennii]

ah u see, our churchs dont work that way! membership is obtained by a little servicey thing seperate to the baptism, the baptism welcomes you to the church as in the church of GOD all christians, the membership to a specific local church is seperate and not everyone wants both at once. when someone from a different baptist church joins ours their membership is initiated by the same membership service. why would someone lie and say they were baptised if they werent, firstly members of our church dont have to be baptised, some were brought up in an anglican church and were confirmed, some of these people choose to be baptised, most dont - if they want to be a member of the church they just go though the membership service.

i dont plan to get baptised just yet, i'll probably get baptised at the church i settle in at uni. and i'll get membership to that church. and IF i did get baptised here then im not gonna choice specific membership, i'll only be here another year and it wont make any difference in the contribution i make to the church, i grew up here. so when i join another church IF they require proof ive been baptised i'll just get my minister to write and say i have.

 

[sunshinejennii]

im not really sure that made sense, i dont have time to explain myself except that where i am i can choose to be baptised by my dad and grandad and theres none of these issues that there obviously is where you are.

 

[Andyman_1970]

im not really sure that made sense, i dont have time to explain myself except that where i am i can choose to be baptised by my dad and grandad and theres none of these issues that there obviously is where you are.

I think that is so awesome.

 

[theseed]

I would say that answer conflicts with "not trusting one another".

First off, why are you arguing here when it's against forum rules? You are neither Baptists nor anabaptists.

Secondly, where is this "trust one another" stuff in The Bible?

 

[Andyman_1970]

First off, why are you arguing here when it's against forum rules?

With all due respect I'm not trying to be arguementative.

You are neither Baptists nor anabaptists.

You know know what I am, so how do you know I'm not a Baptist? I say "we" in post #10 on this thread, I am a member of an SBC church, and have been a member of one since I got saved in 1996.

Secondly, where is this "trust one another" stuff in The Bible?

There are about 45 "one another"s (Greek word there is allelone) in the NT referring to believers and how they are suppose to live together in this community we call a church. One of those "one anothers" is to love (agape) one another. Can you love someone unconditionally and not trust them?

 

[theseed]

membership is obtained by a little servicey thing seperate to the baptism

You have a seperate service for membership? We do it at the end of our services, and we have a chance to speak up and reject.

why would someone lie and say they were baptised if they werent,

Because they have some motive. Why are there false Christians?

firstly members of our church dont have to be baptised some were brought up in an anglican church and were confirmed, some of these people choose to be baptised, most dont

So your church does not practice believer's baptism?

IF they require proof ive been baptised i'll just get my minister to write and say i have.

Ah, there's my point. Only ministerial baptism is biblical, and you will have proof.

And how can you be so sure that the church you are going to as membership services?

not really sure that made sense, i dont have time to explain myself except that where i am i can choose to be baptised by my dad and grandad and theres none of these issues that there obviously is where you are.

This does not make sense to me gramatically, and I never said that family members could not baptize.

 

[theseed]

You know know what I am, so how do you know I'm not a Baptist? I say "we" in post #10 on this thread, I am a member of an SBC church, and have been a member of one since I got saved in 1996.

you disagree with Baptist doctrine, therefore your not baptist.

are about 45 "one another"s (Greek word there is allelone) in the NT referring to believers and how they are suppose to live together in this community we call a church. One of those "one anothers" is to love (agape) one another. Can you love someone unconditionally and not trust them?

So your reading trust into the texts and its not actually there? (And I did not say there was no trust).

 

[Andyman_1970]

you disagree with Baptist doctrine, therefore your not baptist.

Please explain to me which doctrine I have disagree with.

So your reading trust into the texts and its not actually there? (And I did not say there was no trust[/font]).

So you can love some one unconditionally and not trust them.......then there is a condition..........then it's not unconditional.........anyway.

 

[theseed]

Please explain to me which doctrine I have disagree with.

Baptists have gennerally never accepted baptisms unless they know they were performed by a ordained minister, and it was administered bibically.

So you can love some one unconditionally and not trust them.......then there is a condition..........then it's not unconditional.........anyway.

Why does love require trust?

 

[sunshinejennii]

First off, why are you arguing here when it's against forum rules? You are neither Baptists nor anabaptists.

Actually im a baptist, ive grown up in a baptist church. however since i feel that generally the differences are irrelevant when im posting in say the teen forum on totally unrelated matters ive chosen not to have baptist in my info.

You have a seperate service for membership? We do it at the end of our services, and we have a chance to speak up and reject.

no we have a seperate section to the service, either after baptism or in an ordinary service when someone has asked to join the church

So your church does not practice believer's baptism?

its a baptist church and we practise believers baptism, and to the extent of my knowledge our members do not have to have been baptised if they have accepted christ and made a public commitment to him.

Only ministerial baptism is biblical, and you will have proof.

yes i will

And how can you be so sure that the church you are going to as membership services?

i cant be sure but as ive mentioned several times i dont intend to get baptised at the church im at now and my feelings towards who baptises me may change. i cant concieve that a church will only allow me to enter their specific membership by being baptised again even if their picky if i have proof of my baptism. ive emailed my minister regarding this and i'll update you.

This does not make sense to me gramatically,

im sorry, im very tired and ill my grammer and ability to explain myself are currently poor.

im not really sure that made sense, i dont have time to explain myself except that where i am i can choose to be baptised by my dad and grandad and theres none of these issues that there obviously is where you are.

TRANSLATION:
1) i am not sure that my last message made sense.
2) i do not have time to explain my last message
3) the church that i attend will allow me to be baptised by my dad and grandad
4) to the best of my knowledge there are none of the problems you are suggesting
5) prehaps this is to do with your church and your society and mine is different

better?

and I never said that family members could not baptize.

not specifically though you have raised valuable points about the issues surrounding baptism by family members

Baptists have gennerally never accepted baptisms unless they know they were performed by a ordained minister, and it was administered bibically

to be honest im not worried, im sure IF i were to be baptised by my dad and grandad my minister would make sure i was aware of this and we'd plan accordingly, even if im not baptised by my minister hes not gonna let me get baptised without preparation classes before to ensure im aware of the step im taking. he'll cover any of these issues to ensure i dont have problems where im REQUIRED to get baptised again or anything similar.


I apologise if any of this lacks coherentcy(sp.) or i have mis-spelt words leading to confusion. i ought to be asleep but im being kept awake by aching joints therefore im not fully able to express myself nor do anything more useful then answer your post.

Jen

 

[Andyman_1970]

Baptists have gennerally never accepted baptisms unless they know they were performed by a ordained minister, and it was administered bibically?

I agree with the administered biblically. The being done by a minister has no Biblical basis, there is no "you must" be baptized by a ordained minister in the NT. That is something we added on, which is fine.

And if I disagree with this, since it is something we generally beleive, this makes me "not a baptist"?

Theseed, with all due respect, you are making some judgements about me that are uninformed, like asserting I'm not a baptist. I am disagreeing with something that is not essential doctrine, whether or not an ordained minister admininsters the act of baptism is not addressed in the Scriptures.

So with all due respect, how can I not be a baptist if I disagree with something that is non-essential?

Why does love require trust?

Agape love, I would argue, does, otherwise it's not unconditional.

 

[theseed]

Agape love, I would argue, does, otherwise it's not unconditional.

You say that agape love requires trust; that by definition is a condition. Love does not require trust. If it did, then we could not love our enemies (Luke 6).

 

[Andyman_1970]

You say that agape love requires trust; that by definition is a condition. Love does not require trust. If it did, then we could not love our enemies (Luke 6).

Would not agree that trusting someone, someone you don't know but is a follower of Jesus, is a component of loving unconditionally...........anyway that's not the point of this post.

Now if we disagree on this, does that disqualify me as a baptist??? Just kidding............. have a good weekend.

 

[theseed]

Would not agree that trusting someone, someone you don't know but is a follower of Jesus, is a component of loving unconditionally...........anyway that's not the point of this post.

Agape love, which is a altruism, does not require trust. I would have to say that trust is seperate from love; it relates to faith. Trust is usually earned. Trust is having faith in something or someone. As God is faithful towards us, we are able to trust him more and more.

As we are good stewards with God's things, he entrustes us with more and more.

Now if we disagree on this, does that disqualify me as a baptist??? Just kidding............. have a good weekend

You have a good weekend too

 

[Blazin4Christ]

its avery special thing for you to Baptize someone, I hope God will lead you

 

[Asar'el]

Where in the bible does it say that one must be an ordained minister to baptize. In Matt. 28:19-20, it specifies that all of us should make disciples and baptize.

Matthew 28:19,20 is a perfect example; you say, all of us should make disciples and baptize - but Christ is speaking to the eleven disciples (see verses 16,17,18) at the time.

It does not specifically say one must be an ordained minister to baptize; but it is clear that God hath ordained order in His church; not everyone that desires a church office is appointed to one. Do you know of any examples in scriptures of baptism performed by someone other than those called by God and the church to do it?

Thinking one is called to it by God is one thing; finding scriptural evidence for such a call is very different. It is easiest to fall when we think we are doing a good work - but as it is written, to obey is better than sacrifice.

Take all scripture in context when looking at scripture; otherwise it would be as simple to suggest that we need no church; or that we require yet circumcision; or a priest to offer sacrifice; or that any may preach in the church, or that all are elders ... in other words, instead of order, chaos!

 

[wherdaluv]

I never intended tis thread to be a debate on the validity on such a baptism. I was just stating my desire to baptize somebody. In the book of Matthew it says that we are to go into the world and preach the Gospel and BAPTIZE them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Truly we should be allowed to baptize that person if we lead them to salvation. I spoke with my pastor on this and he agrees with me. If and only if I lead someone to salvation he will let me baptize that person at a baptismal service in our church. However, i must have led that person to Christ. As far as the validity of that baptism upon transfering to another church, my pastor said that he would sign the first line of the baptism certificate and i sign second.
It would be as if he baptized and I witnessed it.

 

[sunshinejennii]

:d

 

[pgmike]

my Dad baptized his friend who he lead to Christ, but when that guy wanted to become a member of his baptist church, they would not recognize his baptism bc it wasnt performed at there chuch and if he wanted to become a member of the churhc then hed have to be re-baptised by the pastor. is this normal?

 

[theseed]

my Dad baptized his friend who he lead to Christ, but when that guy wanted to become a member of his baptist church, they would not recognize his baptism bc it wasnt performed at there chuch and if he wanted to become a member of the churhc then hed have to be re-baptised by the pastor. is this normal?

I would say yes when the qualifications of the Baptizer are in question. They don't know if it is done right. It also depends if you switch denominations or not. Baptist churches will accept baptisms from other Baptist churches.