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What humans have found is that evolution yields superior results to direct design.
So I'm off to bed. Fun discussion. My current take-away is that the god of creationists has human limitations imposed by creationists for reasons of literalism. .
It's the one God taught me.According to your idea of "good." of course, which must be the same as God's.
Are you proposing that instead of creating Adam from dust on day 6 you would "edit the text" to say "no animals existed - God took dust and formed it into simple starter animals then formed other animals from earlier animals then finally formed man from earlier animals all in one evening-morning 24 our day"?
That "complete rewrite idea" -- not in the OP
1. Here again - not the OP
that was your starting premise and it was fully debunked because it is illogical to argue that anything an infinite God can do --
So why do you wish to restrict God to working within your human limitations, your limited and flawed understanding of how God creates?After all, we're talking about an all-powerful God with no human limitations, right?
Hello Pitabread, here's part of it (I apologize if this has already been discussed in your thread as this is a blind post). It's not that God couldn't have used evolution, it's the fact that He told us that He didn't...why couldn't God have used evolution? Why explicitly rule that out?
Do cars reproduce? If not your example fails from the get go.not in real life.
In real life direct design is the best and most efficient.
Leave a bunch of cars "on their own " for a few decades and see if they come up with "better cars".
I've asked creationists repeatedly over the years how God created living species. Yet I have found that creationists are unable to provide an answer to that (outside of vague reference to supernatural powers).
But at the same time, creationists insist God could not have done so via evolution.
So if we don't have an explanation for how God created living species, why couldn't God have used evolution? Why explicitly rule that out?
simply there would be death before sin , when bible teaches death is due to man's sinI've asked creationists repeatedly over the years how God created living species. Yet I have found that creationists are unable to provide an answer to that (outside of vague reference to supernatural powers).
But at the same time, creationists insist God could not have done so via evolution.
So if we don't have an explanation for how God created living species, why couldn't God have used evolution? Why explicitly rule that out?
Pretty ridiculous to ask a creationist a creation question then reject it because it was creationist.I've asked creationists repeatedly over the years how God created living species. Yet I have found that creationists are unable to provide an answer to that (outside of vague reference to supernatural powers).
Right. Because the two completely oppose each other.But at the same time, creationists insist God could not have done so via evolution.
There is an explanation but you reject it.So if we don't have an explanation for how God created living species,
Because that wouldn't be creation out of nothing, it would be God using evolution that you insist already existed.why couldn't God have used evolution? Why explicitly rule that out?
No, it would be God creating the process of evolution, not using process that already existed.. When non-YECs suggest that God used evolution, they do not mean that God used an already existing process.Pretty ridiculous to ask a creationist a creation question then reject it because it was creationist.
Right. Because the two completely oppose each other.
There is an explanation but you reject it.
Because that wouldn't be creation out of nothing, it would be God using evolution that you insist already existed.
That would satisfy you but why should God who is a supernatural being use a non-supernatural method?.. how would that show that God is God who can do something original instead of taking what already exists and claim as his own?
Why should God be no different than Batwoman?
So I'm off to bed. Fun discussion. My current take-away is that the god of creationists has human limitations imposed by creationists for reasons of literalism. .
I'm glad you see that your position is illogical.
hint: evolution from dust to adult human does not exist and cars do not reproduce if left to themselves over time.Do cars reproduce? If not your example fails from the get go.
Evolution proposes 100's of millions of years to get from dirt/dust to fully functioning adult human and piles upon piles of dead animals all along the way ... random failed attempts being the most common event rather than success.What humans have found is that evolution yields superior results to direct design. I posted a snippet above about that.
"Direct manufacture" is not the be-all-and-end-all of design and manufacture processes. In fact, the reason humans don't use evolutionary algorithms as a standard design process is due to the unique outputs and non-standardization that results.
My response was to your question as to why God might have used evolution.
I simply pointed out it's more consistent with what is observed in nature.
For the record, you keep raising things not in the OP either. I'm simply responding to what you're posting.
If you don't want me to respond to your questions and posts, I can just put you back on ignore and be done with the conservation. It's no skin off my nose.
You still here? I expected you would have chewed your leg off and limped home by now.
But I have to ask the question "is this thread about trying to find ways not to have dialogue with Creationists"??
There is an explanation but you reject it.
Because that wouldn't be creation out of nothing, it would be God using evolution that you insist already existed.
That would satisfy you but why should God who is a supernatural being use a non-supernatural method?.. how would that show that God is God who can do something original instead of taking what already exists and claim as his own?
Why should God be no different than Batwoman?
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