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Glad you believe we receive our inheritance at his coming. This is what we Amills have been saying all along.
I dont think you realize it but Welcome to the Amill camp.
It is the Word of God. Why make it out to be a slander towards God? That is your angle of reasoning. No one invented these verses and placed them into Revelation, claiming John did not actually write them.Yes, but Premil wrongly portrays a millennium of unparalleled peace and submission to Jesus where the lion and the lamb finally rest together in unity and love and where the glorified saints enjoy final bliss and then bam the slaughter trucks pull up to take these same sheep to Jerusalem for slaughter. How cruel and pointless! Then after a thousand literal years of supposed perfect peace and harmony where Jesus rules with a rod of iron, the millennial inheritors turn en-masse to Satan in their billions as the sand of the sea. It is this false picture and misplacement of Revelation 20 that Premil portrays that doesn't add up.
It is the Word of God. Why make it out to be a slander towards God? That is your angle of reasoning. No one invented these verses and placed them into Revelation, claiming John did not actually write them.
Hi Jeff
Well no I am not Amill because I do not believe Jesus has returned therefore we only have a shadow of what is to come at his return.
So you believe Jesus has returned in all his glory with the angels?
- Please give me any quote from Barnabas and Clement that explicitly described a future 1000 years as Premils teach?
- Please give me any quote from Barnabas and Clement that explicitly described Jesus on a future millennial earth as Premils teach?
- Please give me any quote from Barnabas and Clement that taught the continuation of the bondage of corruption on a future millennial earth as Premils teach?
- Please give me any quote from Barnabas and Clement that taught the wicked or mortals inheriting a future millennial earth as Premils teach?
- Please give me any quote of Barnabas and Clement showing mortal humans interreacting with glorified saints on a future millennial earth as Premils teach?
- Please give me any quote of Barnabas and Clement showing the continuation of dying and crying on a future millennial earth as Premils teach?
- Please give me any quote of Barnabas and Clement teaching Satan will be bound at the second coming, released 1000 years after the second coming and instigate an uprising of billions of millennial inhabitants as Premils teach?
- Please give me any quote of Barnabas and Clement showing the elevation of natural Israel to their old covenant place of favour over all other nations, the restoring of Israel back to her ancient borders, the return of the whole old covenant arrangement, the rebuilding of a brick temple in earthly Jerusalem, the restarting of the mass slaughter of innocent animals on the new earth, the restoration of the ancient old covenant priesthood again in a future millennium?
- Please give me any quote of Barnabas and Clement teaching the continuation of marriage and procreation on a future millennial earth as Premils teach?
Hi Sov
First of not all Premills believe much this that you have posted here I certainly do not.
Also one can not prove a negative it is impossible you seem a smart person I am sure you know this. I can easily phrase 10 points that you could never prove. However I do not want to do such a petty thing when I know it can not be shown. One can not show what is not said directly Just like you can not show me a single place where they said 1,000 years is an imaginarytime frame that does not really exist.
Now I have shown that Both of these Fathers were premill by what they have said and I will do it one last time for you but first I wish to ask you one simple question because not all amills believe the same thing just like not all premills believe the same thing.
When do you believe the Kingdom of God was set up ie: when did the non specific 1,000 years begin? At which event ie: Jesus Baptisim by John, His Transfiguration, his death, his ressurection some other event?
You just admitted you have nothing
Hi Sov
Wow what a twisting of what I said, You do realise people can see what you are doing right?
Why should I try and prove words you put in my mouth. I do not believe 905 of the things you said premill believe.
I did say I would prove from the words they did leave us that they taught Premill. I only asked you clarify your position on one single point. Why do you avoid the simple question what are you afraid of.
- Please give me any quote of Barnabas and Clement teaching the continuation of marriage and procreation on a future millennial earth as Premils teach?
Even though I indicated I was wanting to put the brakes on this discussion concerning ECFs, why are you painting this with a broadbrush, as if all Premils believe those things to be the case? I don't believe those things to be true during the millennium. I simply see billions being spared what is the fate of some, meaning Zechariah 14:12. Thus the ones remaining, meaning those recorded in Zechariah 14:16, their numbers are as the sand of the seas. And since Adam as a mortal almost lived an entire thousand years in this age alone, it is not unreasonable to think that any mortals could live an entire thousand years and then some after Christ has returned. I don't even agree with other Premils that there will be death during the thousand years. Death doesn't come until after the thousand years. That's what the text indicates--Revelation 20:9.
I see it and I am astounded that that people can even promote that we are in the Millennium now. That idea is wakadoodle and is disproven by a simple reality check of the world as it actually is now.Wow what a twisting of what I said, You do realise people can see what you are doing right?
I see it and I am astounded that that people can even promote that we are in the Millennium now. That idea is wakadoodle and is disproven by a simple reality check of the world as it actually is now.
Whether any of the theories people have about what will soon happen, are right or not; should not be a reason for any of us to make wild assertions or nasty accusations.
Just be assured that there is coming major changes to the world and we Christians must stand firm in our faith thru it all.
Address each of these questions if you have the evidence.
Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.The scripture from the gospels is not even relevant to the talk of whether or not Satan is bound and unable to deceive the nations anymore, because you yourself say that it was at the cross, and these events took place before the cross, and yes, demons are subject to the authority of God. That's true whether they are bound or not.
They will rebel before Jesus Returns.
They will gather at Armageddon, where they will be destroyed. Rev 16:12-18
Not literally, of course. And, of course, Amils do not claim that he is literally in chains. So, to prove that he is not literally in chains does nothing to disprove Amil.
I've asked him about this before and he said he believes that the martyrs mentioned in Revelation 20:4 will be resurrected with mortal bodies and they will be the ones to populate the earth at that time. It's one of his private interpretations that he has all to himself. The problem with his interpretation, obviously, is that scripture NEVER teaches that anyone will be resurrected with a mortal body in the future.You still didnt address my question. Who will be alive at that time , as according to a previous post of yours no ungodly people will enter your millennium. Who is left to deceive.??
I've asked him about this before and he said he believes that the martyrs mentioned in Revelation 20:4 will be resurrected with mortal bodies and they will be the ones to populate the earth at that time. It's one of his private interpretations that he has all to himself. The problem with his interpretation, obviously, is that scripture NEVER teaches that anyone will be resurrected with a mortal body in the future.
Are you saying we can't overcome those things? If so, what was John talking about here then:You are misunderstanding that passage. It is Jesus who personally overcame the world, the flesh, the devil, the pride of life - for our sake.
We as Christians still battle those things, which is what Ephesian 6 is about.
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