Wow. I can't even begin to address all of the misguided, twisted, backwards, illogical thoughts that are posted on page 4. Edial and Reformationist, you have perfectly demonstrated why I have a problem with the Christian faith. I have enough to write a book on what you two have said. However, I have neither the time nor the energy to address everything on that page, but I will address some of it.
-Abortion:
Reformationist, unlike you I will be providing links for the next few things I discuss. I think I may have found the website that your information came from, and it has alot of interesting additional information that you left out.
womensissues.about.com
Sources are wonderful, use them. The most interesting thing that I found on this website was that 88% of abortions in the United States were performed 6-12 weeks into the pregnancy. Then I wondered how developed a baby could be after only 6 weeks, which brings me to my second source.
religioustolerance.org
At 6 weeks the baby is 1/2" long. That's right, 1/2"! Take out a ruler so you can visualize that. The brain does not even begin to develop until 8 weeks, and the baby is not conscious until 26 weeks! Most states and medical associations have outlawed abortions at that point. Also, the lungs have not developed until about 22 weeks. I think for the baby to be considered living, it should have a brain and lungs. Otherwise, it is just a ball of cells, it is still a part of the mother, it has no life of its own. Cutting a seed in half and chopping down a tree are not the same thing, period!
If you are saying that 1/2" long brainless piece of tissue is a human being, than you might as well say that every sperm and unfertilized egg a woman produces are too. Nope, sorry, not buying it. And don't think I'm just trying to make myself not feel guilty, I don't feel guilty. For some reason, you seem to think that I feel bad about my beliefs, or that I have to lie to myself to sleep at night. I don't, sorry to disappoint you. I have asked myself what I should believe, and what's right, rather than simply accepting what I'm told to believe.
-Gays
I can't believe you are trying to say banning gay marriage is to conform to a definition. That definition really depends on where you look and who you ask doesn't it? The definition that you refer to is the one that Christians have adopted. This is just another example of Christians just trying to make gays miserable. For some reason Christians seem to think if they make gays miserable enough, they will just give up and like the opposite sex. Well guess what, it doesn't work that way. Gay people didn't just decide, "hey, I think I want to be gay." No, that doesn't happen, why would you do that anyway, and subject yourself to the descrimination and rejection they have to go through. There is no good reason to ban gay marriage. If you think that this will somehow make straight marriages better, and that this is really an important issue, you need to come back to reality. We have homeless people, starving children, and a failing education system. When all of the real problems are taken care of, then you can complain about gay people getting married. And it still won't matter.
-War
I agree that we should have gone to war with al Queda, but Iraq was a mistake. I've already talked about the revolution needing to come from within, and that democracy is not necessarily right for every culture. Having said that, al Queda, and particularly Osama bin Laden, is responsible for the deaths of 3,000 of our civilians. They need to be taken care of, and they are a threat that should be addressed. Iraq on the other hand had nothing to do with the attacks, and had no wmd's. The search has officially ended, there was no evidence that they had any, and there was no evidence that they moved them either. North Korea is a real threat to us, and probably the biggest threat in that region. They have nuclear weapons, they've said they do, and every single citizen of that country knows that we are their sworn enemy. By the way, this is Bush's fault. America is N. Korea's sworn enemy because Bush insulted them. Not only has Bush done to little to deal with the real enemy (bin Laden), he has increased the threat to us by angering and insulting people who already didn't like us.
-Progressive ideas
This is probably the most disappointing thing that I've read in the recent past. Trying to say that the ideas ace and I are talking about are regressive, and that Christian ideas are progressive, is absolutely absurd. I cannot begin to convey how serious this error in logic is. These words are complete opposites and you got them completely backwards, congratulations. Progressive means new and moving forward, and regressive means old or going back. Since Christianity is based on ideas that are thousands of years old, and most liberal ideas have come about in the past few decades...do I really need to explain this any further?
If you can't come up with better arguments than what was on page 4, please just stop posting. Do some real research and support your claims with sources. By the way, "I saw it on a reputable website" is not a source, that's another claim.
God Help America,
M
