The exact quote is:once... but what about "every week day 1"?? And why call it "week day 1" if they mean "Christian Sabbath" or they mean "The Lord's day".
Acts 18:4 'EVERY Sabbath' they met in the Synagogue for worship and gospel preaching
It meant they gathered together often in the NT Church. It means as Paul mentioned in 1 Corinthians 11 that when you gather they have The Lord’s Supper.
In all those verses where it mentions going to the temple, well back then that is where many gathered and as such was a good place to preach Christ and the Gospel. Years later the temple was destroyed. No more gathering there and no more the assembly convocated for feast days.
Paul preached in synagogues because that is where people gathered before churches were planted.
Was there an explicit situation where Gentile believers were commanded to meet in the synagogue on the 7th day of the week?
You hit the nail on the head!Yes, it's all about what they really mean behind what they are saying on the surface level. The fact is that to the sabbatarian, if you do not observe the seventh day sabbath as per the old covenant, you are in a state of unrepentant sin and therefore cannot be saved. To the sabbatarian, it's the obeying of commandments that saves and not the grace of Jesus Christ. To them, "grace" is defined by observing the ten commandments, especially the seventh day sabbath and they will contort sripture to "prove" it and evade many of the questions that call them out on it. It's a whole different (and false) gospel.
You hit the nail on the head!
Like I said all along. Salvation by “grace plus law, faith plus works.” More than a subtle mixture of law and grace which is a perversion of the gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)
Here is a statement below in blue made by a sabbatarian who happens to be SDA which proves both of our points:
There is another Gospel out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. The counterfeit Gospel is out there. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ."
The truth hurts!LOL!! Hogwash!!
The truth hurts!
The synagogue was a convenient place to preach and teach as churches were just being planted.They didn't have communion once a week. They fathered together on Sabbath not simply because the Jews were there---they preached to the Gentiles also and they never once told the Gentiles "see you on
the 1st day of the week"--
Act_13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act_13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
They never seem to get together on the 1t day of the week to preach to the Gentiles.
The synagogue was not the only place believers met or where the discipled preached and prayed.
Act_16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
There was no command to change the Sabbath to the 1st day of the week anywhere in the NT.
The synagogue was a convenient place to preach and teach as churches were just being planted.
I would rather put forward that said person is simply trolling (2) and has provided nothing of substance (therefore nothing worth responding to), though I suspect what they are, and attempting to do.Until you [ace of hearts] actually read the details in the post. You have been ignoring the point raised entirely as your "solution" .
It meant they gathered together often in the NT Church.
How does Acts 20:7 (a onetime, latenight farewell gathering for Paul, on 'saturday night' (first [day] of the week (εν δε τη μια των σαββατων)), wherein a recorded gathering took place on a commonly numbered day of the week, as it had from the beginning of time on earth, answer the material about "Israel"?
You do know that the Jews met on any and all days of the week, right?
Indeed, and not only in Acts, yes even in the Gospels and elsewhere, the Christians [even as did the Jews] met daily, none of which eliminates obedience to God in His 4th Commandment:
Jesus met in the temple "daily" [and not only there, also synagogue, and in nature], even especially in his last week from Sunday to Tuesday, especially: John 11:55, 21:1; Matthew 26:55; Mark 14:49; Luke 19:47, 22:53; John 18:20; see additionally [in this order, read carefully], Matthew 21:10; Mark 11:11; John 12:12,13; Matthew 21:12,13,17; Mark 11:12,15,16,17,19; Matthew 26:2; Mark 14:1; Matthew 21:18,23; Mark 11:20,27; Matthew 23:37,38,39 [Parallel to Luke 13:31,32,33,34,35]
And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Acts 2:46
And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ. Acts 5:42
And does any know why this "daily"? Understand this text - Psalms 77:13
Also, Jesus met with the Disciples the 2nd day of the week here, since he spent a great deal of time with the two Disciples on the Road to Emmaus on the first day [see Luke 24:21, "...beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done"], it came to be evening [which begins the next day, when the sun sets at even, Mark 1:32; Leviticus 23:32; Genesis 1:5,8,13,19,23,31, etc ], and then they sat down to dinner, and as Jesus vanished before them, they ran back to Jerusalem at night and then Jesus met with them again, all together [thus no longer the 'first [day] of the week', but rather the second [day] of the week]:
But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them. Luke 24:29
And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. Luke 24:30
And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, Luke 24:33
And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. Luke 24:36
Jesus also stayed for 40 days after His resurrection, His first ascension and return:
To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: Acts 1:3
Thus, since Jesus ascended for the Second time, this time from the Mount of Olives, he was there with them exactly 10 days before Pentecost [first [day] of the week], which means, we see again that Jesus was with them not merely upon the first [day] of the week.
Yet, again, what does anything in Acts 20:7 (a 'saturday night' (first [day] of the week (εν δε τη μια των σαββατων)) meeting until midnight and beyond) have to do with the given:
???
It means as Paul mentioned in 1 Corinthians 11 that when you gather they have The Lord’s Supper.
There's an assumption being made upon your part in regards the text cited.
Can you show me "the cup" in Acts 20:7?
Can you show me the words "Lord's supper" in Acts 20:7?
Can you show me the 'footwashing' in Acts 20:7, which is commanded in John 13:14.
You can show me "klasai arton" (break bread), but that is not automatically "kuriakon deipnon" (Lord's supper).
There is a lot being eisegeted into Acts 20:7.
I can show you simple breaking of bread which is simply eating a meal:
Act_2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Act 2:46 καθ ημεραν τε προσκαρτερουντες ομοθυμαδον εν τω ιερω κλωντες τε κατ οικον αρτον μετελαμβανον τροφης εν αγαλλιασει και αφελοτητι καρδιας
If someone wants to tell me that they follow that pattern in Acts 2:46, in desiring to say that each 'breaking bread' is the memorial of the 'Lord's supper', then do they do this 'house to house' each day of the week?
I know of no one who claims to do so.
In all those verses where it mentions going to the temple, well back then that is where many gathered and as such was a good place to preach Christ and the Gospel.
Years later the temple was destroyed.
No more gathering there and no more the assembly convocated for feast days.
Paul preached in synagogues because that is where people gathered before churches were planted.
Was there an explicit situation where Gentile believers were commanded to meet in the synagogue on the 7th day of the week?
They believe you must keep the 10 commandments in order to enter into the presence of God. And they are very strict with Sabbath, also---except it is on Sunday.
They believe you must keep the 10 commandments in order to enter into the presence of God. And they are very strict with Sabbath, also---except it is on Sunday.
The exact quote is:
4And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.
Was he trying to persuade them or they needed to keep the Law?
They believe you must keep the 10 commandments in order to enter into the presence of God. And they are very strict with Sabbath, also---except it is on Sunday.
I’m still not seeing the command to meet on the 7th day and observe Temple Judaism.Yes, that was already made known by the texts I shared, and it was already demonstrated that the Jews (OT/NT), the Gentiles (OT/NT) and Christians (NT) could meet on any day of the week, without any prohibition from God. These things were never in question 'rlh', and do not support the disobedience to the 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) as you and the others are espousing (dangerous marriage).
As stated however, Acts 20:7 is not a continual action in the Koine Greek (συνηγμενωνG4863 V-RPP-GPM; which is verb (action) - peRfect - passive - genative - plural - masculine), it is simply a one time action mentioned without reference to past or future gatherings (anything else is simply eisegeted (vainly imagined) into the text).
Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Act 20:7 εν δε τη μια των σαββατων συνηγμενων των μαθητων του κλασαι αρτον ο παυλος διελεγετο αυτοις μελλων εξιεναι τη επαυριον παρετεινεν τε τον λογον μεχρι μεσονυκτιου
Act 20:7 ενG1722 PREP δεG1161 CONJ τηG3588 T-DSF μιαG1520 A-DSF τωνG3588 T-GPN σαββατωνG4521 N-GPN συνηγμενωνG4863 V-RPP-GPM τωνG3588 T-GPM μαθητωνG3101 N-GPM τουG3588 T-GSN κλασαιG2806 V-AAN αρτονG740 N-ASM οG3588 T-NSM παυλοςG3972 N-NSM διελεγετοG1256 V-INI-3S αυτοιςG846 P-DPM μελλωνG3195 V-PAP-NSM εξιεναιG1826 V-PAN τηG3588 T-DSF επαυριονG1887 ADV παρετεινενG3905 V-IAI-3S τεG5037 PRT τονG3588 T-ASM λογονG3056 N-ASM μεχριG3360 ADV μεσονυκτιουG3317 N-GSN
The very same word and tense is used in Matthew 22:41:
Mat 22:41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
Mat 22:41 συνηγμενων δε των φαρισαιων επηρωτησεν αυτους ο ιησους
Mat 22:41 συνηγμενωνG4863 V-RPP-GPM δεG1161 CONJ τωνG3588 T-GPM φαρισαιωνG5330 N-GPM επηρωτησενG1905 V-AAI-3S αυτουςG846 P-APM οG3588 T-NSM ιησουςG2424 N-NSM
It points to a single meeting at the time of mention. It has no indication of ongoing meetings or even of past meetings. The tense is only interested in the current gathering under observation.
Again:
Mat 27:17 Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?
Mat 27:17 συνηγμενων ουν αυτων ειπεν αυτοις ο πιλατος τινα θελετε απολυσω υμιν βαραββαν η ιησουν τον λεγομενον χριστον
Mat 27:17 συνηγμενωνG4863 V-RPP-GPM ουνG3767 CONJ αυτωνG846 P-GPM ειπενG3004 V-2AAI-3S αυτοιςG846 P-DPM οG3588 T-NSM πιλατοςG4091 N-NSM τιναG5101 I-ASM θελετεG2309 V-PAI-2P απολυσωG630 V-AAS-1S υμινG4771 P-2DP βαραββανG912 N-ASM ηG2228 PRT ιησουνG2424 N-ASM τονG3588 T-ASM λεγομενονG3004 V-PPP-ASM χριστονG5547 N-ASM
It points to a single meeting at the time of mention. It has no indication of ongoing meetings or even of past meetings. The tense is only interested in the current gathering under observation.
We can find other examples of this verb form (though using a differing word/verb) in the following: Matthew 22:41, 27:17, 27:52; Luke 14:24; John 20:19,26; Acts 9:8, 20:7; 1 Corinthians 4:19, 15:20; 1 Timothy 4:2, 6:5; Hebrews 9:6, 12:23,27; 2 Peter 3:2; Revelation 6:9, 7:4, 18:24, 20:4.
Even if you were to somehow demonstrate it as an 'weekly' example, you (and the others) do not even follow the example that it explcitily gives. A night meeting (on 'saturday evening', thus 'first [day] of the week', since that is when days begin according to Genesis, etc), where an Elder preaches until midnight, followed with eating, and then more talking. There is no 'sunday morning' preaching here, it last until 'break of day' (sunrise) early sunday morning, in which Paul, the Elder, left.
Again:
Moving on:
No, again, that is eisegeted (without any evidence whatsoever) into Acts 20:7 and a misuse of 1 Corinthians 11. 1 Corinthians 11 is Paul rebuking the corrupt/backslidden practices of the Corinthian Church which was out of harmony with the express will of God:
1Co 11:17 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.
1Co 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
1Co 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
1Co 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
etc.
Again, where is "the cup" (Matthew 26:27; Mark 14:23; Luke 22:17,20; 1 Corinthians 10:16,21, 11:25,26,27,28), where is "the Lord's supper" (kuriakon deipnon; 1 Corinthians 11:20), where is "wash one another's feet" (John 13:12-17) in Acts 20:7? They are not present. Others simply eisegete (vainly imagine) them into the text. The text simply does not say one way or the other.
The example I showed in Acts 2:46, reveals that the disciples would gather on many days, and simply eat a meal together:
Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Act 2:46 καθ ημεραν τε προσκαρτερουντες ομοθυμαδον εν τω ιερω κλωντες τε κατ οικον αρτον μετελαμβανον τροφης εν αγαλλιασει και αφελοτητι καρδιας
Which, if you look at the context, reveals eating of "trophes" (food, nourishment). It says nothing about that each gathering was to eat the "Lord's supper".
This was shown here:
Moving on:
The Temple was where God was worshipped on any day of the week (priests were there "daily" for the people who came) and especially on the Sabbath (in Jerusalem; otherwise at synagogue (gathering place)), not merely for 'a good place to preach Christ and the Gospel' (which they did also do, Acts 4:1, 5:20,21,24,25, 42, etc.)
Luk_24:53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.
Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
Act_3:1 Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour.
Act 3:2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;
Act 3:3 Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms.
Act 3:8 And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God.
Act 22:17 And it came to pass, that, when I was come again to Jerusalem, even while I prayed in the temple, I was in a trance;
Act 24:11 Because that thou mayest understand, that there are yet but twelve days since I went up to Jerusalem for to worship.
Act 24:12 And they neither found me in the temple disputing with any man, neither raising up the people, neither in the synagogues, nor in the city:
He was trying to persuade them that "what matters is KEEPING the commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
He was trying to persuade them to "Honor your father and mother" because "this is the first commandment WITH a promise" Eph 6:2 ...in that distinct unit of TEN.
He was trying to persuade them that "it is not the HEARERS of the LAW that are just before God but the DOERS of the LAW WILL be JUSTIFIED" Rom 2:13
He was trying to persuade them of the basics "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31
He was trying to remind them that it is only the lost who "do NOT submit to the LAW of God neither indeed CAN they" Romans 8:4-11.
I’m still not seeing ...
The truth hurts!
This was in the context of circumcision. Therefore, he specifically says don’t circumsize those who are not.He was trying to persuade them that "what matters is KEEPING the commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
Indeed and that is explicitly confirmed by him no? Where is the same for the Sabbath?He was trying to persuade them to "Honor your father and mother" because "this is the first commandment WITH a promise"
Yes and what does he say in Romans 3:20?He was trying to persuade them that "it is not the HEARERS of the LAW that are just before God but the DOERS of the LAW WILL be JUSTIFIED" Rom 2:13
He was trying to persuade them of the basics "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31
He was trying to remind them that it is only the lost who "do NOT submit to the LAW of God neither indeed CAN they" Romans 8:4-11.
I may have missed it, but where is 7th day Sabbath keeping taught in Hebrews?Heb 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
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