One of the most controversial issues, is the DAY OF WORSHIP

[ace of hearts]

When I stand before God, He can tell me how I misused this passage---If I did. Otherwise--you might be the one with some explaining to do as it is pretty clear.

 

[mmksparbud]

https://www.gotquestions.org/breaking-of-bread.html
Answer: The Bible uses the expression “breaking of bread” in different ways. First, Acts 2:42-46 describes the early church breaking bread as part of their fellowship: "And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers." The early Christians came together regularly for common meals, which included the breaking of bread.
nother type of breaking of bread is that observed at the Lord’s Supper or Christian communion. During the Last Supper, described in 1 Corinthians 11:23-39, Jesus took a loaf of bread and broke it and gave it to His disciples, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” The breaking of bread at that first communion table has been re-enacted down through the centuries as a way of remembering that first celebration of both His sacrifice on the cross and the institution of the New Covenant in His blood (v. 25). Henceforth, each celebration of the Lord’s Supper includes the breaking of the bread and the drinking of the cup of the fruit of the vine.

n the Bible, the expression "breaking of bread" is a way of describing a shared meal. If a person eats alone, he does not need to break the bread, because there is nobody to share it with. However, if you are eating with another person, the bread loaf must be broken into pieces so that everyone can have some.
www.compellingtruth.org/breaking-of-bread.html

In the Bible, the expression "breaking of bread" is a way of describing a shared meal. If a person eats alone, he does not need to break the bread, because there is nobody to share it with. However, if you are eating with another person, the bread loaf must be broken into pieces so that everyone can have some. The early church was described as having everything in common (Acts 2:44), and they studied doctrine together, prayed together, and ate together (Acts 2:42-47). This passage calls their common meals "the breaking of bread."

 

[ace of hearts]

Please explain how it is used.

It's a time of fellowship and encouragement in the common bond of Jesus. Otherwise it's not a practice of the whole population.

 

[mmksparbud]

I know exactly how you feel!

 

[mmksparbud]

This is plain enough:

1Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[BobRyan]

They met on the first day of the week.

I guess the NT Church did not debate this much and often gathered together.

once... but what about "every week day 1"?? And why call it "week day 1" if they mean "Christian Sabbath" or they mean "The Lord's day".



Acts 18:4 'EVERY Sabbath' they met in the Synagogue for worship and gospel preaching

 

[BobRyan]

Do you really believe that keeping the Sabbath has nothing to do with salvation

Do you believe that not taking God's name in vain... vs -- taking God's name in vain... has anything to do with salvation or the fruits that show one is born again? (According to Christ in Matthew 7?)

 

[BobRyan]

Amen! The word "Sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord.

And "do not take God's name in vain" is first found in Exodus 20 ... and not found at all in the NT.

Those little games "mean nothing" at all in terms of license to rebel against God's Word.

And we all know it.

How does your verse deal with the subject? What is danthemailman in rebellion with? Doesn't he have to be subject to that?

Dan points to a attribute of one of the Commandments of God saying that you first see it stated in command form in Exodus 16. His effort is to "infer" that maybe this "detail" works to "Delete the commandment" for anyone who is not a Jew.

I simply point out that same sort of "detail" can be pointed out about other Commandments of God as well - for example "Do not take God's name in vain" which has that feature in even more glaring form than can be found with the case of God's Sabbath Command.

This illustrates the fact that his "new rule" to use for deleting God's commands or declaring that they don't apply to you - does not work , as we all can see in the case of the command "do not take God's name in vain".

So far you've nothing to prove otherwise.

Until you actually read the details in the post. You have been ignoring the point raised entirely as your "solution" . Having to flee the point is not a very compelling answer to it.

Your continued insistence that people are sinning by not keeping the sabbath

NT.. God says "sin IS transgression of the Law".
NT.. God says that the Law is that unit of Law where the 5th commandment "is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

Each time you make the case that the only answer you have for Bible details raised is to "ignore them" you reveal more about the case you have to make than you may at first supposed.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Yes---to break bread means to eat---they ate pretty much on a regular basis.

But it may also mean to celebrate the Communion service where we are told " 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come."1 Cor 11:26... Christ died on Friday evening. Near the start of the Sabbath. He did not die on Sunday evening or Saturday night.

So the week day 1 argument is again somewhat week here.

 

[BobRyan]

Then what's the purpose of trying to keep the law?

Indeed - what is the purpose of not taking God's name in vain in compliance with the WORD of God?

For who ? the lost or the saved?

Hint: "If you Love Me KEEP My commandments" John 14:15

 

[BobRyan]

Yes we can invalidate God's Word with our contradictory belief to support any idea we wish. We can try to invalidate God's Word, but that won't change it. .

True - but it invalidates worship according to Christ in Mark 7:6-13

 

[BobRyan]

Not subjecting one's self to a covenant no longer in force isn't rebellion or sin.

Its called the "New Covenant" according to Jeremiah 31:31-33, And Hebrew 8:6-12 where the TEN commandments are included in the moral law of God written on the heart - as even the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and the "Westminster Confession of Faith" agree, this is the easy part.

Jeremiah 31:31-33 -- exegesis matters... because Bible details matter.

 

[BobRyan]

There's no such commandment to the whole world.

"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23
"The Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
Gentiles specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping Isaiah 56:5-8

 

[BobRyan]

I find it interesting that when I come across articles on the internet by those who believe ALL 10 Commandments are repeated in the NT and are binding on the Church, they have verses such as Matthew 5:33,34; 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7 and James 5:12 to show that "do not take God's name in vain" is repeated in the New Testament, even though those "exact words" are not stated.

True - I think that is a mistake - because there is no Bible rule of the form "whatever is not repeated must be deleted".

So no sense in "playing the game" of trying to get something "repeated" before Sinai or after the cross when in fact there is no quote of it at all as in the case of the commandment "Do no take God's name in vain"

The Baptist Confession of Faith and the Westminster Confession of Faith - affirm the TEN - but do not try to go out of their way to argue that there is a quote of "Do not take God's name in vain" in the NT - they simply point out that the command was in full force for all mankind starting in Eden and also to this very day.

 

[BobRyan]

Would that cover taking the Lord's name in vain? Certainly it would.

Would "If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15 cover "do not take God's name in vain?" -- it certainly would... as it covers all the TEN.

The Baptist Confession of Faith and the Westminster Confession of Faith - affirm this basic Bible detail as well.

 

[BobRyan]

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel

As was all the TEN commandments Exodus 20:1 including "Do not take God's name in vain"

And it is included in the moral law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers in Jer 31:31-33 saying that the LAW of God is "written on the heart" under the NEW covenant.

he Baptist Confession of Faith and the Westminster Confession of Faith - affirm this basic Bible detail as well.

 

[bekkilyn]

Are you trying to illustrate my point or refute it?

I suppose it could depend on your answer to the question that you evaded.

 

[bekkilyn]

Do you really believe that keeping the Sabbath has nothing to do with salvation for Sabbatarians? Maybe not for all Sabbatarians, but for certain Sabbatarians, it absolutely does! Here is an example of one such group who teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. - Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast

Yes, it's all about what they really mean behind what they are saying on the surface level. The fact is that to the sabbatarian, if you do not observe the seventh day sabbath as per the old covenant, you are in a state of unrepentant sin and therefore cannot be saved. To the sabbatarian, it's the obeying of commandments that saves and not the grace of Jesus Christ. To them, "grace" is defined by observing the ten commandments, especially the seventh day sabbath and they will contort sripture to "prove" it and evade many of the questions that call them out on it. It's a whole different (and false) gospel.

 

[redleghunter]

Yet, again, what does anything in Acts 20:7 (a 'saturday night' (first [day] of the week (εν δε τη μια των σαββατων)) meeting until midnight and beyond) have to do with the given:

It meant they gathered together often in the NT Church. It means as Paul mentioned in 1 Corinthians 11 that when you gather they have The Lord’s Supper.

In all those verses where it mentions going to the temple, well back then that is where many gathered and as such was a good place to preach Christ and the Gospel. Years later the temple was destroyed. No more gathering there and no more the assembly convocated for feast days.

Paul preached in synagogues because that is where people gathered before churches were planted.

Was there an explicit situation where Gentile believers were commanded to meet in the synagogue on the 7th day of the week?

 

[bekkilyn]

Its called the "New Covenant" according to Jeremiah 31:31-33, And Hebrew 8:6-12 where the TEN commandments are included in the moral law of God written on the heart - as even the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and the "Westminster Confession of Faith" agree, this is the easy part.

Jeremiah 31:31-33 -- exegesis matters... because Bible details matter.

I suppose this is part of the issue here. You seem to believe that the new covenant is merely about changing the location of the ten commandments.

However, the new covenant hasn't anything to do with the ten commandments specifically. To the Israelites under the Sinai covenant, God expressed his will through the law (that includes the ten commandments) and the prophets. Under the new covenant, our relationship with God changes and we determine and obey his will within our own hearts through the power of the Holy Spirit who commands us.