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Correct, that's why we're all enjoying democracy. Have you considered immigrating to Saudi Arabia? I'm sure the TV there would be much more to your liking.

Its a pity all the atheists didnt head off to the atheist countries like Russia China Vietnam and Cambodia.
Its also pity those atheists countrys didnt work, would have been great to hear a humanity socialist inspired doctrine.

You know what we should do? We should find a balance and get along.
But thats not atheism is it.
 
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Stalin Mao millions dead under an atheist regime yeah I see your point
Oh please. How many times has it been pointed out how many people Christianity has been responsible for killing in the past and you then say "Those responsible weren't christians"? Belief, or lack of belief, in a god had nothing to do with Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot's actions and you know it.
 
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Complete fallacy if you have a basic understanding of how we characterise people and structural institutions... seemingly you don't.

Of course Stalin and Mao didnt kill millions, Whoa silly me. Hitler wasnt responsible for the death camps and Pol Pot was responsible for big rock festivals Hmmmmm
So communism wasnt an atheist principle based on evolution.
Communism denied God and banned all religion, locked up and killed believers and demanded loyalty to the state.
I might have a flaw in my basic understanding of characterising people and structural institutions, BUT my HISTORY remains solid. Hows yours?
 
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Oh please. How many times has it been pointed out how many people Christianity has been responsible for killing in the past and you then say "Those responsible weren't christians"? Belief, or lack of belief, in a god had nothing to do with Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot's actions and you know it.

This is getting way way way of topic but
If Christians are responsible for killing people and no doubt we are, then it is in direct violation of Jesus Christs teachings.
Stalin Mao and Pol Pot were atheists who operated under the principles of evolution and survival of the fittest. The teaching.
Jesus taught equality and the value of human life.
Evolution teaches life has no value.
The thought that you cant understand such a basic principle BB is astonishing the idea that you deny what history teaches is confounding.

Atheism has a staggeringly large death toll and you deny it

"What made this secular religion so utterly lethal was its seizure of all the state's instrument of force and coercion and their immediate use to destroy or control all independent sources of power, such as the church, the professions, private businesses, schools, and, of course, the family. The result is what we see http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.TAB1.GIF
Source MURDER BY COMMUNISM
Have a read BB
 
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Communism denied God and banned all religion, locked up and killed believers and demanded loyalty to the state.
Actually if you went to the official church that was fine. it was the underground church that had the problems. So they didn't actually ban God they just made an official church like everything else.
 
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So communism wasnt an atheist principle based on evolution.

Wrong.

who operated under the principles of evolution and survival of the fittest.

Wrong.

Evolution teaches life has no value.

Wrong.

Atheism has a staggeringly large death toll and you deny it

Wrong.

You should probably learn about other belief systems before you try to talk about them. Also you have a very poor understanding of history.
 
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Great defensive tactic. Can I try it as well.
Hey Hakeem Supreme
All your answers are WRONG
See my wrong is in bold so I am the winner



Now back to the topic
I would love to see a One Million Mums in Australia who boycotted company's who advertised during tv shows that were shown in non suitable time slots.
I am sick of the swearing and sexuality and violence on tv. I recon it shouldnt be allowed till after about 8.30pm
Is that not fair?
 
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Now back to the topic
I would love to see a One Million Mums in Australia who boycotted company's who advertised during tv shows that were shown in non suitable time slots.
I am sick of the swearing and sexuality and violence on tv. I recon it shouldnt be allowed till after about 8.30pm
Is that not fair?
well considering most swear words were perfectly acceptable everyday words untill one country invaded another country and declared the losers culture illegal I really am not bothered by swear words.

if a show is not in a suitable time slot then there is a way to lodge a complaint about that. However I wouldn't want a group like one million mums dictating to me what i can watch and when. TV is like everything else. If something goes well then it stays on air if it has poor ratings it is cut. In Australia they are very quick to axe shows that don't rate well. Some after only four episodes! So essentially christians around Australia are saying hey we don't mind that. Same as cadbury said they would never sell fair trade chocolate here in Oz after cadbury started selling fair trade in the UK. However cadbury now sell fair trade stuff here. Why? Because they could see a market demand for it and it made good business sense. That is what I like to see. One million mums wants to dictate to others though. Boycotting a company for having a homosexual in their ads in over the top especially when nothing about their sexuality was mentioned in the ads.
 
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Sorry Dags are you suggesting OMM doesnt have the right to chose but others do.
In a nutshell you are denying OMM there right but expounding every one elses rights.
Hypocrisy at its best.
OMM can do what they like and make a political party out of it if they want.
Who are you to deny them where they spend their money.

Porn is the highest rating product on the net. By your standards because its popular then thats ok. Might as well be on TV as it would rate well. Aussies like it, everybody likes it bring it on.

I spose porn on TV will be a bit like cadbury chocolate, it wont happen but it will.
 
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Sorry Dags are you suggesting OMM doesnt have the right to chose but others do.
In a nutshell you are denying OMM there right but expounding every one elses rights.
Hypocrisy at its best.
That's not how I read what he is saying. Quite the opposite I think. He is saying that they have a right to ignore whatever shows they want, but not to force their choice on others who do not share it.
Porn is the highest rating product on the net. By your standards because its popular then thats ok. Might as well be on TV as it would rate well. Aussies like it, everybody likes it bring it on.

I spose porn on TV will be a bit like cadbury chocolate, it wont happen but it will.
I don't see where you get the porn analogy. If you look at shows that went to air back in the seventies there was a lot more sex and flesh around. Tastes have changed and the TV stations have adjusted.
 
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Sorry Dags are you suggesting OMM doesnt have the right to chose but others do.
In a nutshell you are denying OMM there right but expounding every one elses rights.
Hypocrisy at its best.
OMM can do what they like and make a political party out of it if they want.
Who are you to deny them where they spend their money.
show me one spot where i said they had no right. You really need to stop reading what you want to see but rather read what is written. What I said is I would not want them making decisions as to what I can or can't see because they are over the top in what they do. I provided an example of this. That is in no way saying they have no right to voice their opinions.

When it comes to porn while I would not watch it I am against censorship so if people want to view it then so be it. The only stipulation is that it should be legal. That is that everyone involved in making it should be aware of what they are making and consent to it.

When I mentioned cadbury it was as proof that people can change things for the better by voicing opinions. That can be done without lobby groups going over the top especially when those groups are inconsistent. I can't see where they have called for advertisers who support sesame street to pull their support from the show!
 
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I said you were suggesting, go read it again.

You are not against porn as a Christian??
1. There are more outlets for pornography in the United States than McDonald's restaurants.(This is a statistic from the National Coalition Against Pornography.)

2. A child is sexually molested every 47 seconds in the United States. As many as 90% of the abused children questioned revealed that they were shown adult hard-core pornography prior to molestation. (Children's Legal Foundation)

3. Six hundred American males and females of junior high school age and above were interviewed about their 'out-in-real-life involvement with pornography'. It found that 91% of the males and 82% of the females admitted having been exposed to X-rated, hard-core pornography."Two-thirds of the males and 40% of the females reported wanting to try out some of the sexual behaviors they had witnessed. Among high school students, 31% of the males and 18% of the females admitted actually doing some of the things sexually they had seen in the pornography within a few days after exposure....

4. Interviews have revealed that 87% of child molesters admit to regular use of pornography: 77% of all child molesters of boys and 87% of molesters of girls admitted using pornography and imitating the sexual behavior in the pornographic material when they committed their crimes. Death row inmates have admitted that their rape and murder assaults were directly related to years of exposure to pornography.

5. Pornography is a $3 Billion-a-year business. (FBI statistic)

6. Recently a Canadian study reported that teenagers (ages 12-17) were among the most interested in pornography. Dr. Aaron Hass conducted a study for the UCLA School of Medicine and interviewed some 625 young people. His findings revealed that those in this age group (12-17), were the primary ones pornographers aimed at. Other studies confirmed that more than 46% of American Junior High students were watching X-rated pornographic movies.

Why Christians Should Take A Stand Against Pornography

Thanks Dags, go preach that pro porn agenda at church on Sunday. Funny what an anonymous person will say on the net where he cant be held accountable for his words, before his peers.

"Why should I attend a conference on pornography? I asked myself, "Why all the fuss? With poverty, child abuse, drug addiction, abortion, and AIDS making headlines, why join another "anti" cause?"

I attended the meeting. After hearing the shocking evidence of porn’s grip on our society, I decided I must join the crusade for the survival of the values I cherish and the country I love. Let me explore with you some compelling reasons why every Christian must join in the fight against pornography.

Pornography leads to idolatry. The central truth of the Christian religion is belief in one Holy God. "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve," Jesus said (Matthew 4:10). Ancient near-Eastern history documents the decadence of nations that worshiped the fertility gods using human sex organs as their symbols and prostitution as worship. God eventually punished them without mercy, as He did His own people when they fell into these pagan practices. Pornography supplies the symbols, the rituals, the stimulus, and the creed for worshiping the human body and its sexual impulses rather than the eternal Spirit, Jehovah God.
" http://www.afa.net/Detail.aspx?id=2147484807

I guess Dags peoples souls and what happens come the Day of God is irrelevant to you. Who cares about people who sin. Not you? Evidently?
 
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I said you were suggesting, go read it again.
Funny you think that because you said "In a nutshell you are denying OMM there right but expounding every one elses rights." So yes you did accuse me of trying to deny them their rights.


You are not against porn as a Christian??
1. There are more outlets for pornography in the United States than McDonald's restaurants.(This is a statistic from the National Coalition Against Pornography.)
and your point is what????
What I am against is censorship. What if I became the worlds leading spokesperson for censorship and then they tried to censor the bible? I would end up looking rather silly if I then turned around and said no censorship is bad! So while I might like what they censor today I may not like what they censor tomorrow.


2. A child is sexually molested every 47 seconds in the United States. As many as 90% of the abused children questioned revealed that they were shown adult hard-core pornography prior to molestation. (Children's Legal Foundation)
and this has what to do with what I said? Oh right nothing. you are talking about a seperate crime. There is a massive difference between child abuse and consenting sex between adults being filmed for the benefit of others to watch.


3. Six hundred American males and females of junior high school age and above were interviewed about their 'out-in-real-life involvement with pornography'. It found that 91% of the males and 82% of the females admitted having been exposed to X-rated, hard-core pornography."Two-thirds of the males and 40% of the females reported wanting to try out some of the sexual behaviors they had witnessed. Among high school students, 31% of the males and 18% of the females admitted actually doing some of the things sexually they had seen in the pornography within a few days after exposure....
so at an age when kids are normally starting to explore their sexuality they express an interest in trying positions they see! am i supposed to be surprised there?


4. Interviews have revealed that 87% of child molesters admit to regular use of pornography: 77% of all child molesters of boys and 87% of molesters of girls admitted using pornography and imitating the sexual behavior in the pornographic material when they committed their crimes. Death row inmates have admitted that their rape and murder assaults were directly related to years of exposure to pornography.
i remember watching a video of James Dobson interveiwing serial killer Ted Bundy. I thought wow that shows a different light on porn. However when I did some research I found claims made by Dobson were flase and/or misleading such as saying Ted Bundy had a normal upbringing. Well if James Dobson thinks a normal upbringing involves being physically abused and being told that yourt mother is actually your sister even though that is not true then I wonder what he thinks a non-normal upbringing is.


5. Pornography is a $3 Billion-a-year business. (FBI statistic)
ok so it makes money that has no relevenace at all to the discussion.


6. Recently a Canadian study reported that teenagers (ages 12-17) were among the most interested in pornography. Dr. Aaron Hass conducted a study for the UCLA School of Medicine and interviewed some 625 young people. His findings revealed that those in this age group (12-17), were the primary ones pornographers aimed at. Other studies confirmed that more than 46% of American Junior High students were watching X-rated pornographic movies.
After alot of searching I finally found something of substabce that seems to be where that statement came from. it says that conclusion that porn is harmful to children (under 18 years) can not be proven. It also says that a main factor is poor parenting. That is that poor parenting was much more to blame than pornography. there were other things mentioned that made it look like selective quoting just to support a view.


Why Christians Should Take A Stand Against Pornography

Thanks Dags, go preach that pro porn agenda at church on Sunday. Funny what an anonymous person will say on the net where he cant be held accountable for his words, before his peers.
Funny how you assume I have not said this in a christian group setting! Once again you are wrong with your assumptions based on nothing. I have said this face to face in bible study.

"Why should I attend a conference on pornography? I asked myself, "Why all the fuss? With poverty, child abuse, drug addiction, abortion, and AIDS making headlines, why join another "anti" cause?"

I attended the meeting. After hearing the shocking evidence of porn’s grip on our society, I decided I must join the crusade for the survival of the values I cherish and the country I love. Let me explore with you some compelling reasons why every Christian must join in the fight against pornography.

Pornography leads to idolatry. The central truth of the Christian religion is belief in one Holy God. "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve," Jesus said (Matthew 4:10). Ancient near-Eastern history documents the decadence of nations that worshiped the fertility gods using human sex organs as their symbols and prostitution as worship. God eventually punished them without mercy, as He did His own people when they fell into these pagan practices. Pornography supplies the symbols, the rituals, the stimulus, and the creed for worshiping the human body and its sexual impulses rather than the eternal Spirit, Jehovah God.
" Biblical Reasons to Fight Pornography
heaven forbid you should actually try and make disciples out of them! No rather lets follow the suggestion of this article and just say fight against them making porn an idol. of course if you succeed in that they will just make something else their idol but hey lets not try and make God their idol!

I guess Dags peoples souls and what happens come the Day of God is irrelevant to you. Who cares about people who sin. Not you? Evidently?
Ah another conclusion based on nothing!!!! I have no right to judge sins of non-christians. What I am more interested in is witnessing to people and for them to become believers. I believe God will convict them of their sin after that. he may use me or others to do so.



What is interesting is that you did not quote the absurd claim that one must believe education is irrelevant if
 
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