One Jesus, two testimonies?

[Brieuse]

bad day huh?



Hmmm... maybe not the Jesus somebody wants to share...

yeah.. I think I know about that one...

Actually, bad week. Things aren't going too well at the moment for some of my family.

I know and God knows my relationship with Him. I'm not going to let you put me down. Besides you've shown enough colourful character on these here forums yourself for me to doubt your integrity with God.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Sort of like the way YOU cherry pick the Leviticus "abominations", such as wearing clothing of mixed fabrics (which you must do), or any of the other ceremonial violations.

Always deflecting aren't you? Absolutely not. The word is clear. Homosexuals are fornicators also--that is also a sin. They can't keep from sinning. Unregenerate people sin without remorse.

 

[Brieuse]

Always deflecting aren't you? Absolutely not. The word is clear. Homosexuals are fornicators also--that is also a sin. They can't keep from sinning. Unregenerate people sin without remorse.

Really? You say the word is clear however you admit to not bothering to even doing any research. Yes, your Bible is clear. No, the Bible is not inerrant.

 

[davedjy]

Always deflecting aren't you? Absolutely not. The word is clear. Homosexuals are fornicators also--that is also a sin. They can't keep from sinning. Unregenerate people sin without remorse.

Deflecting? you are deflecting by cherry picking the Leviticus laws, where you call something an abomination, while cherry picking the old Leviticus laws! "The Lord said it was an abomination to wear clothing of mixed fabrics", but you do it anyways!

1. From the Bible's standpoint, fornication was not defined as homosexuality = problem #1 with your argument.

2. You cannot prove that a gay or lesbian is an "unregenerate" person without relying on a PROVEN false translation in 1 Cor. 6:9:


What does "arsenokoitai" really mean?

Nobody knows for certain.

"Arsenokoitai" is made up of two parts: "arsen" means "man"; "koitai" means "beds."
http://www.religioustolerance.org/homarsen.htm

 

[OllieFranz]

Not me, I'm jist pointing out what the Bible says.

Conveniently, only PART of what the bible says...cherry picking, they call it.

OK if tulc is "conveniently" only saying what "part" of what the Bible says, that means that there is a "part" of the Bible that says something else about Sodom, presumably denouncing it for homosexuality. Where, exactly, does the Bible say anything about Sodom and homosexuality?

Always deflecting aren't you? Absolutely not. The word is clear. Homosexuals are fornicators also--that is also a sin. They can't keep from sinning. Unregenerate people sin without remorse.

Also, where, exactly, does the Bible equate homosexuality with fornication.


I have done word searches on Sodom and fornication, but I can't find any passages that connect theses words with homosexuality. The closest I have come, with Sodom, are the translation of qedeshim (pagan "holy men") as "sodomites" and verse seven of the letter of Jude. And I can find nothing even close for fornication.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Really? You say the word is clear however you admit to not bothering to even doing any research. Yes, your Bible is clear. No, the Bible is not inerrant.

Research is good in its place, but the Word of God is the standard for morality.

Inerrant? Yes it is, but I will overlook your opinion.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Deflecting? you are deflecting by cherry picking the Leviticus laws, where you call something an abomination, while cherry picking the old Leviticus laws! "The Lord said it was an abomination to wear clothing of mixed fabrics", but you do it anyways!

1. From the Bible's standpoint, fornication was not defined as homosexuality = problem #1 with your argument.

2. You cannot prove that a gay or lesbian is an "unregenerate" person without relying on a PROVEN false translation in 1 Cor. 6:9:


What does "arsenokoitai" really mean?

Nobody knows for certain.

"Arsenokoitai" is made up of two parts: "arsen" means "man"; "koitai" means "beds."
http://www.religioustolerance.org/homarsen.htm

*Snore*

You are only arguing semantics with God. Just looking for an excuse to idolize.

 

[Floatingaxe]

OK if tulc is "conveniently" only saying what "part" of what the Bible says, that means that there is a "part" of the Bible that says something else about Sodom, presumably denouncing it for homosexuality. Where, exactly, does the Bible say anything about Sodom and homosexuality?

Jude 1:7
And don’t forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God’s judgment.

Also, where, exactly, does the Bible equate homosexuality with fornication.

Unmarried sex is fornication. You aren't suggesting that all the homosexuals in the world are married to each other when they sodomize each other, do you?

Matthew 15:16
Jesus replied, "You, too? Are you being willfully stupid? Don't you know that anything that is swallowed works its way through the intestines and is finally defecated? But what comes out of the mouth gets its start in the heart. It's from the heart that we vomit up evil arguments, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, lies, and cussing. That's what pollutes.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Actually, bad week. Things aren't going too well at the moment for some of my family.

I know and God knows my relationship with Him. I'm not going to let you put me down. Besides you've shown enough colourful character on these here forums yourself for me to doubt your integrity with God.

His integrity is intact. You judge poorly.

 

[GenemZ]

Really? You say the word is clear however you admit to not bothering to even doing any research. Yes, your Bible is clear. No, the Bible is not inerrant.

If you would do your research, you will find that rabbinical Hallakah and Haggadah have both always condemned homosexuality throughout history of Judaism. Hallakah and Haggadah were always based upon the Hebrew Scriptures, which they read fluently.


But what did they know?


Hebrew, perhaps? And, its intent?

 

[Brieuse]

His integrity is intact. You judge poorly.

I stand corrected of course

 

[davedjy]

*Snore*

You are only arguing semantics with God. Just looking for an excuse to idolize.

Arguing semantics with God and a proven false translation are two different things. If the translation is false, there isn't any arguing with God, but only with the translator. Of course you again confuse the translator WITH God, which are not one and the same thing.

 

[OllieFranz]

Jude 1:7
And don’t forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God’s judgment.

[bible]Jude 1:7[/bible]

Yours is a "dynamic" translation. There is too much temptation to "re-interpret" the Bible when you translate too dynamically. The more literal translations that say that they went after "strange flesh" are better, although heteros is better translated as "the other" than as "strange."

If you compare Jude to 2 Peter, you will see that it is the false teachers whose immorality is being compared to the immoral "Sons of God" and the people of Sodom. It is their false teachings and their immoral personal lifestyles that Peter and Jude are condemning. But there is nothing to indicate that they were homosexuals.

Unmarried sex is fornication. You aren't suggesting that all the homosexuals in the world are married to each other when they sodomize each other, do you?

No. But many of them are married. Those who are married and having sex outside their marriage are adulterers, not fornicators. Those who are faithful to their spouses are not sinning. Even when the spouse is the same sex.

Matthew 15:16

Jesus replied, "You, too? Are you being willfully stupid? Don't you know that anything that is swallowed works its way through the intestines and is finally defecated? But what comes out of the mouth gets its start in the heart. It's from the heart that we vomit up evil arguments, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, lies, and cussing. That's what pollutes.

[bible]Matthew 15:16-17[/bible]

I must say find it odd that you use this verse, that says what goes in the mouth does not pollute the body, to argue that homosexual practices are sinful. I don't believe that we can use this verse to argue homosexuality, but in both its tone and in the most obvious possible reference, if one tried to use it, it would be more natural to use it to argue against your claim.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Arguing semantics with God and a proven false translation are two different things. If the translation is false, there isn't any arguing with God, but only with the translator. Of course you again confuse the translator WITH God, which are not one and the same thing.

My God has supervized the translators and has protected against those who would subvert His message. My God is omnipotent , and of course, can do exactly that.

Accept His Word as it has been interpreted down through the ages and stop trying to change it, or pay the price for your foolishness.

 

[GenemZ]

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[GenemZ]

Deflecting? you are deflecting by cherry picking the Leviticus laws, where you call something an abomination, while cherry picking the old Leviticus laws! "The Lord said it was an abomination to wear clothing of mixed fabrics", but you do it anyways!

1. From the Bible's standpoint, fornication was not defined as homosexuality = problem #1 with your argument.

2. You cannot prove that a gay or lesbian is an "unregenerate" person without relying on a PROVEN false translation in 1 Cor. 6:9:


What does "arsenokoitai" really mean?

Nobody knows for certain.

"Arsenokoitai" is made up of two parts: "arsen" means "man"; "koitai" means "beds."
http://www.religioustolerance.org/homarsen.htm

The Greeks wrote Kardia. We write Cardiac. C - for - K.



Coital, today has come to mean sexual intercourse.

Root words can wander all over the place with subtle changes over time.


Arsenokoitai. It is a compound word coming from arshn (arsen, male) and koith (koite, sexual intercourse).


Simply, bed? Sounds like damage control to me by some pro-gay group's prized exegete, who was busy at work.






The Lord will be seated on his throne before us all..... Looking right into our eyes. Right into our soul. No place for a lie to hide any longer.

 

[davedjy]

My God has supervized the translators and has protected against those who would subvert His message. My God is omnipotent , and of course, can do exactly that.

Accept His Word as it has been interpreted down through the ages and stop trying to change it, or pay the price for your foolishness.

It hasn't been translated as homosexual throughout the ages. Maybe if you actually read the link or did some research you would know that.

Your God has not supervised (correct spelling) the translators and protected against translation errors, since translation to translation version they aren't the same.

 

[Floatingaxe]

The Greeks wrote Kardia. We write Cardiac. C - for - K.



Coital, today has come to mean sexual intercourse.

Root words can wander all over the place with subtle changes over time.


Arsenokoitai. It is a compound word coming from arshn (arsen, male) and koith (koite, sexual intercourse).


Simply, bed? Sounds like damage control to me by some pro-gay group's prized exegete, who was busy at work.

(What was that? ...I erased that superfluous mumbo jumbo for ya! FA)

The Lord will be seated before us all..... Looking right into our eyes. Right into our soul. No place for a lie to hide any longer.

 

[davedjy]

The Greeks wrote Kardia. We write Cardiac. C - for - K.



Coital, today has come to mean sexual intercourse.

Root words can wander all over the place with subtle changes over time.


Arsenokoitai. It is a compound word coming from arshn (arsen, male) and koith (koite, sexual intercourse).


Simply, bed? Sounds like damage control to me by some pro-gay group's prized exegete, who was busy at work.






The Lord will be seated on his throne before us all..... Looking right into our eyes. Right into our soul. No place for a lie to hide any longer.

There isn't any discrepancy over the fact that it has to do with some form of sexual intercourse. The compound words STILL together do not form "homosexual"!

 

[MercyBurst]

Not me, I'm jist pointing out what the Bible says.

Yours only goes back to Ezekiel. Mine says some bad things in Genesis too.

uhmmm no it doesn't. But then the word sodomy is an English word, derived from culture rather then something given from on high.

Good thing we have revisionists now that can fix the whole thing. So where's our new authorized bible that corrects all the questionable passages? That way, the rest of us Christians can read it right like you do, and so can the new translators.

...which goes along with the oppressing people. So thanks for demonstrating my point.

Thank you Likewise. Your point fits right in with this testimony presented earlier in this thread from our thankfully ex-gay brother in Christ (aren't you glad?):

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=40448300&postcount=324

Gay sex is an exercise in sado-masochism. In my own fantasies, the things I imagine are ways of conquering other men, of humiliatingthem, to bring them down to size, so that they are broken, docile and no longer a threat to me, so I don't feel intimidated by them any
more. This is sadistic and Not born of love for the other man. Conversely, on the personal side, my involvement is for my own personal humiliation and punishment for not measuring up to "man" status, whatever that is. This is masochism. Now, here's the twist. When Jesus said to love our neighbors as ourselves, He was assuming that we actually do love ourselves. To do unto to others the carnal things we desire to be done to ourselves is Not what He intended, because that does not start from love or show love.

So, evidently, if I engage in such behavior, I am not loving myself at all. So how could I be loving my neighbor? I'm not. Each of us is busy destroying (Satanic) the masculine psyche of both himself and the other. Satan came to kill, steal, and destroy.

Not really lost, more like it sort of got buried under a bunch of other things. That's the way language works. tulc(likes words alot)

I liked my story about Sodom U better. It's fun when we can make up things.