One Jesus, two testimonies?

[Brieuse]

again from Paul in 1st Cor 12:

7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

My point here is that Paul asked the Lord to take away his thorn in the flesh, but God did not.

So the ex-ex-gays demonstrate they are not trusting God's grace.

If everyone got what they asked for from God then everyone would be a Chrsitian, wouldn't they?

We demonstrate our faith when God doesn't give us what we ask for, and it's for His honor and glory, not ours.

That's fine. However homosexuality is not a sin. Nor some of the acts of.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Brieuse,

That's fine. However homosexuality is not a sin. Nor some of the acts of.

I think we have established that the Bible says otherwise, but as we say the Bible does and you say it doesnt, the Bible is our rule and standard of faith conduct, whats yours?

 

[MercyBurst]

That's fine. However homosexuality is not a sin. Nor some of the acts of.

I might ask, do you have one nature or do you have two?

Everyone is born with a carnal nature.

The spiritual nature comes through the second birth, even as Jesus and Paul both said.

The carnal nature seeks to do those things that are carnal, and the spiritual nature seeks those things that are spiritual, even as Paul said.

Do you have one nature or two?

 

[Brieuse]

I might ask, do you have one nature or do you have two?

Everyone is born with a carnal nature.

The spiritual nature comes through the second birth, even as Jesus and Paul both said.

We all have both, hence Paul's struggle himself.

 

[Brieuse]

Dear Brieuse,

I think we have established that the Bible says otherwise, but as we say the Bible does and you say it doesnt, the Bible is our rule and standard of faith conduct, whats yours?

You can carry on believing your Bible is exactly how the scripture was written 2000 years ago. Myself, I have a bit more sense than that.

 

[MercyBurst]

We all have both, hence Paul's struggle himself.

Please explain further about all of us having both (natures). Jesus said the second birth was necessary in order to have both.

 

[Brieuse]

Please explain further about all of us having both (natures). Jesus said the second birth was necessary in order to have both.

Us, as in us Christians. I mean we Christians (long day)

 

[MercyBurst]

Us, as in us Christians. I mean we Christians (long day)

When did you acquire the second nature?

Almost everyone has a conscience, but only born-again believers have a second nature.

Do you know the differrence between a conscience (that most people have) and a spiritual nature (that Christians have)?

Can you explain the difference?

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Brieuse,

You can carry on believing your Bible is exactly how the scripture was written 2000 years ago.

thanks I will, but I aksed you about what your basis was. What is is if not the Bible?
Furthermore the Christian church eliminated false and unreliable testimonies when the canon of scripture, the Bible, was decided on. So if you are following something else, then its not Christian is it. Galatians 1 says that any other gospel other than the one the NT writers give is no gospel at all and should be rejected. So what religion and faith are you if not Christian.

 

[MercyBurst]

Brieuse, I ask again:

When did you acquire the second nature?

Almost everyone has a conscience, but only born-again believers have a second nature.

Do you know the differrence between a conscience (that most people have) and a spiritual nature (that Christians have)?

Can you explain the difference?

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Brieuse,
I would also like to see your answer on this

When did you acquire the second nature?

Almost everyone has a conscience, but only born-again believers have a second nature.

Do you know the differrence between a conscience (that most people have) and a spiritual nature (that Christians have)?

Can you explain the difference?

As Mercyburst pointed out, according to Jesus NT teaching the spiritual nature comes through the second birth.

 

[MercyBurst]

Dear Brieuse,
I would also like to see your answer on this
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As Mercyburst pointed out, according to Jesus NT teaching the spiritual nature comes through the second birth.

Boy, that request sure cleared the house didn't it? * hint * hint *

Don't give away the answers * wink *

 

[Brieuse]

Dear Brieuse,
I would also like to see your answer on this
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As Mercyburst pointed out, according to Jesus NT teaching the spiritual nature comes through the second birth.

Yes, and we Christians have both natures.

Sorry, had to go visit my sister in hospital.

 

[Brieuse]

Boy, that request sure cleared the house didn't it? * hint * hint *

Don't give away the answers * wink *

excuse me? Is Mercy being nasty again? Sinful nature.

 

[Brieuse]

Dear Brieuse,
I would also like to see your answer on this
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As Mercyburst pointed out, according to Jesus NT teaching the spiritual nature comes through the second birth.

Actually, Romans 7 is my verse. I use it every day in life to try be a better person. What do you do to try be a better person?

"For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am of the flesh, sold into slavery under sin. I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. Now if I do what I do not want, I agree that the law is good. But in fact it is no longer I that do it, but sin that dwells within me" (Romans 7:14-17, New Revised Standard Version).

But you just said that when born again, you acquire the nature of the Holy Spirit, which is true.

Therefore Paul and all of us have both.

 

[tulc]

When did you acquire the second nature?

Almost everyone has a conscience, but only born-again believers have a second nature.

Do you know the differrence between a conscience (that most people have) and a spiritual nature (that Christians have)?

Can you explain the difference?

Well depending on what you believe it comes either from
1) when you pray the sinners prayer
2) after baptism
3) is an ongoing process, a little more everyday
4) something we wont know until we get to Heaven
5) a mix of all of the above
6) none of the above
So really your question is a little more difficult to answer then a simple "well I prayed a prayer and asked Jesus into my life!".
tulc(which would be my answer, but isn't the only answer that would be correct)

 

[MercyBurst]

Actually, Romans 7 is my verse. I use it every day in life to try be a better person. What do you do to try be a better person?

"For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am of the flesh, sold into slavery under sin. I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. Now if I do what I do not want, I agree that the law is good. But in fact it is no longer I that do it, but sin that dwells within me" (Romans 7:14-17, New Revised Standard Version).

But you just said that when born again, you acquire the nature of the Holy Spirit, which is true.

Therefore Paul and all of us have both.

Every person has a conscience in them that tells them right and wrong, makes them feel guilt, etc. They can still be an unbeliever, however.

The Holy Spirit is not your conscience. Your conscience is your own mind. So tell me how you know the difference.

 

[MercyBurst]

Well depending on what you believe it comes either from
1) when you pray the sinners prayer
2) after baptism
3) is an ongoing process, a little more everyday
4) something we wont know until we get to Heaven
5) a mix of all of the above
6) none of the above
So really your question is a little more difficult to answer then a simple "well I prayed a prayer and asked Jesus into my life!".
tulc(which would be my answer, but isn't the only answer that would be correct)

exactly. and Paul understood His second nature very well while he was on earth. Every believer is like Paul in this respect. So tell me how you know.

I can tell you how I know, but I want to know how you know.

I'll give you a hint: we can't always know.

"let this mind be in you which is in Christ Jesus" * hint * hint *

The mystery of spritual life knocks at your door.

 

[Zaac]

On the other hand, if someone "sacrifices" his happiness because he mistakenly believes that it would be sinful to seek a spouse of the same sex, then the situation is like the ones Paul discusses concerning Sabbath laws and kosher meat.

Don't confuse issues of culture with issues of morality. There is no vascillation when it comes to God's commands.

It is no more allowed of God for the sinner to decide that fornication is not a sin than it is for the pedophile, murderer and rapist to decide that their sin is not sin.

 

[tulc]

I'll give you a hint: we can't always know.

"let this mind be in you which is in Christ Jesus" * hint * hint *

The mystery of spritual life knocks at your door.

Does that mean you asked a question you yourself can't answer?
tulc(opened that door years ago, and tries to keep it open all the time)