One Jesus, two testimonies?

[Ohioprof]

Homosexuals are those who revel in the practice. Those who do not, are not.

I am gay. I do not know what "practice" you imagine I "revel" in.

 

[Ohioprof]

Jesus speaks of vomiting up those who live lukewarm spiritual lives. He is sickened by those who are not effective in the world, not doing His will and not living righteously.

Those who live in apostasy will reap the consequences. They will be spewed.

I do my best to live righteously, and I try not to live a "lukewarm" spiritual life. I do the best I can to follow the teachings of Jesus. I chair our church social justice committee, and we work against the war, against poverty and hunger, and for equal and fair treatment for all people. I think we are quite effective in the world, though we are a small group.

I do not think that I will be "spewed."

 

[Ohioprof]

Where do you get that belief from? Did God create a homosexual marriage? How does that work? Who is husband and who is wife? How do these folk become fruitful and multiply?

How do people think they are created homosexual by God and yet God Himself says to commit a homosexual act is abominable? God is not two-faced. He is no liar. He doesn't play practical jokes, creating one in a way that is contrary to His own commands! He would never make a person sinful. We are sinful all on our own.

You need a definite rethink of your faith, which is not in the God of Scripture. What I see in actuality is what is prevalent today: designer faith, the me-god, believe-as-you-go religiosity, which has no power but the power of Satan behind it.

God has said no such thing. Our love for our spouses and our families is not "abominable." It is a blessing.

People have created same-sex marriages, just as people have created opposite-sex marriages. God did not create them; human beings did and do.

 

[Ohioprof]

This is anti-Christian propaganda.

Not at all. I am Christian. I offer only my beliefs, not propaganda.

 

[Ohioprof]

Once again, you oppose Jesus, whom you say you are trying to follow:

Luke 19:10
For the Son of Man came to seek and save those who are lost.

There are always the lost among us. We are not all saved. Heaven is our ultimate reward, and a worthy reward at that!

I do not oppose Jesus. I try to follow what Jesus actually said, as best we can discern what he said. I do not believe that every saying attributed to Jesus in the Bible is something he said. That does not mean I oppose Jesus.

 

[Zaac]

I do my best to live righteously, and I try not to live a "lukewarm" spiritual life. I do the best I can to follow the teachings of Jesus.

You do your best to follow the teachings you feel say what you want them to say.

I'll say it again and youcan go ahead and report it. But you ARE NOT a Christian and you have iven testimony time and time againas such.

You continue with this foolishness about everyone is saved, while rejecting god's Word on so many different fronts.

You're grouped in with the members of all the other cults who have fashioned their own brand of Jesus.

I chair our church social justice committee, and we work against the war, against poverty and hunger, and for equal and fair treatment for all people. I think we are quite effective in the world, though we are a small group.

Wow. If your works could get you into heaven, you might be on to something. But as it stands, the Word of God says 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. Eph. 2:8-9

 

[Zaac]

God has said no such thing. Our love for our spouses and our families is not "abominable." It is a blessing.

Blasphemy.

People have created same-sex marriages, just as people have created opposite-sex marriages. God did not create them; human beings did and do.

People didn't create opposite sex marriage. If you believed ALL of God's Word, you would know this.

 

[Zaac]

I do not oppose Jesus. I try to follow what Jesus actually said, as best we can discern what he said.

Yes you do. With everything that comes out of your mouth, you oppose Him.

And then you keep telling this lie about folllowing what He said when you're really following what you want Him to have said.

It's called willful disobedience, and you keep putting forth that lie as the truth and God will give you over to a reprobate mind.

I do not believe that every saying attributed to Jesus in the Bible is something he said. That does not mean I oppose Jesus.

Yes it does.

 

[Ohioprof]

You do your best to follow the teachings you feel say what you want them to say.

I'll say it again and youcan go ahead and report it. But you ARE NOT a Christian and you have iven testimony time and time againas such.

You continue with this foolishness about everyone is saved, while rejecting god's Word on so many different fronts.

You're grouped in with the members of all the other cults who have fashioned their own brand of Jesus.




Wow. If your works could get you into heaven, you might be on to something. But as it stands, the Word of God says 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. Eph. 2:8-9

I have told you that I am a Christian. That's what I am.

I don't worry about getting into heaven, because I believe that we are all saved. I do good works not to get into heaven, but because I believe in doing good works.

 

[Floatingaxe]

rubbish

Ex-homosexuals need to not bother with the designation. They need to walk in their healing and leave that label behind, once and for all.

Hanging on to one's past even by a label is detrimental to one's freedom. With the homosexual agenda so viciously poised to recapture the victor, taking him or her down in failure, we need to encourage these conquerors to change their language.

Matthew 12:34b
For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

 

[Ohioprof]

Yes you do. With everything that comes out of your mouth, you oppose Him.

And then you keep telling this lie about folllowing what He said when you're really following what you want Him to have said.

It's called willful disobedience, and you keep putting forth that lie as the truth and God will give you over to a reprobate mind.



Yes it does.

That you disagree with me is fine, but please don't denigrate me for it. This is a diverse world, and many good people, including many good Christians, hold different beliefs from you and from each other. I think we all need to accept people whose beliefs differ from our own.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I am gay. I do not know what "practice" you imagine I "revel" in.

Your practice of sexual misfunction, whether in your relationship or in your mind.

 

[Ohioprof]

Blasphemy.



People didn't create opposite sex marriage. If you believed ALL of God's Word, you would know this.

People did and do create opposite-sex marriage, as they have created all human institutions, including the churches.

 

[Ohioprof]

Your practice of sexual misfunction, whether in your relationship or in your mind.

Hmmm, now there's a new concept. The practice of "sexual misfunction" in the mind.

I think we have the responsibility to use our minds as best we can, since our brains are a gift from God. Clear, critical, independent thinking is one of our human abilities that we need to celebrate, not shut down.

Demanding conformity of thought is trying to shut down people's minds. Critical thinking is a way to know God, to get closer to God.

 

[Ohioprof]

Yes you do. With everything that comes out of your mouth, you oppose Him.

And then you keep telling this lie about folllowing what He said when you're really following what you want Him to have said.

It's called willful disobedience, and you keep putting forth that lie as the truth and God will give you over to a reprobate mind.



Yes it does.

I respectfully disagree with you.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I do my best to live righteously, and I try not to live a "lukewarm" spiritual life. I do the best I can to follow the teachings of Jesus. I chair our church social justice committee, and we work against the war, against poverty and hunger, and for equal and fair treatment for all people. I think we are quite effective in the world, though we are a small group.

I do not think that I will be "spewed."

It matters not what you "think" about it. what matters is what Jesus tells us about it. By your own admission, you believe that deeds or works are recognized as gateways to God. That is not the truth.

The effective Christian is one who shares the gospel of Jesus Christ and His Word with the world, and brings spiritual offspring into the Kingdom!

I see none of that in any of your communications here. You don;t believe in the Word of God. You don't believe what Jesus says. You don't evangelize.

 

[GenemZ]

I do my best to live righteously, and I try not to live a "lukewarm" spiritual life. I do the best I can to follow the teachings of Jesus. I chair our church social justice committee, and we work against the war,

Matthew 24:6 (New International Version)
"You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come."


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War is inevitable until Christ returns. To think one can eliminate war is to guarantee being taken over in one.
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against poverty and hunger,

Why not give of your substance, directly? Privately?

Don't need some committee to legislate that kind of cause. Jesus said those who give in secret are rewarded by the Father in Heaven who sees all. Jesus also said, those who do their giving before men, he is not pleased with.

Just the same... You will never eliminate poverty.

Matthew 26:11 (New International Version)
"The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me."
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and for equal and fair treatment for all people.

In America its called "The Constitution." You do not need a church for that. Yet, we need Christ in everyone's heart before it will happen without it having to be be legislated by law.

When you say fair and equal treatment? Does that mean a janitor is to make the same wage as the company CEO?

I think we are quite effective in the world, though we are a small group.

Sorry, never heard of you. And, don't need you. Those with a sense of decency will always do what is right. Those who are filled with the Holy Spirit will always be what is right.

I do not think that I will be "spewed."

Those who will be spewed are the ones who had forsaken their first love.

That word "first" speaks of priority, not order of sequence.

That first love was to be for the Word of God. In that case? You will be spewed. For you do not believe the Bible is even the Word of God. How can you not be spewed if you continue on the same path you have been following?


When someone says...

"I do not think its so."
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Or... "I do not feel its so."
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In God's eyes?

If its not according to his Word? Its called "self righteousness." Self appointed righteousness.

How did Jesus feel towards the self righteous?



In Christ, GeneZ


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[Floatingaxe]

God has said no such thing. Our love for our spouses and our families is not "abominable." It is a blessing.

People have created same-sex marriages, just as people have created opposite-sex marriages. God did not create them; human beings did and do.

Your "love" for your so-called families is a theft of their rights to love according to God's ways. It is grasping, self-seeking, self-gratifying and self-blessing...and not a blessing to or from God.

 

[Ohioprof]

It matters not what you "think" about it. what matters is what Jesus tells us about it. By your own admission, you believe that deeds or works are recognized as gateways to God. That is not the truth.

The effective Christian is one who shares the gospel of Jesus Christ and His Word with the world, and brings spiritual offspring into the Kingdom!

I see none of that in any of your communications here. You don;t believe in the Word of God. You don't believe what Jesus says. You don't evangelize.

It is true that I don't evangelize. I do not believe in evangelizing, at least not when it comes to trying to spread my religious beliefs. They are my beliefs alone, and other people have the freedom and the responsibility to develop their own beliefs. That is what freedom of thought is all about: thinking for oneself.

That is why I love my Unitarian Universalist faith so much. Our faith encourages each person on his or her own search for truth and meaning, on his or her own spiritual journey. Our is a non-creedal faith, a faith that dictates no doctrine to our members. It's each person's responsibility and challenge to think for him or herself.

If I can be said to evangelize at all, my message is, "Think for yourself."

 

[Floatingaxe]

I do not oppose Jesus. I try to follow what Jesus actually said, as best we can discern what he said. I do not believe that every saying attributed to Jesus in the Bible is something he said. That does not mean I oppose Jesus.

It absolutely does.