One Jesus, two testimonies?

[MercyBurst]

To my Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

We have two opposing testimonies regarding spiritual life in Christ, but only one of them can be true. There is only one Christ – not two of them, and only one standard for Christian conduct – not two standards.

We have a group of gay-affirmers that testifies to the benefits of same-sex-sodomy in their own Christian lives. Few deny that it is carnality. Their testimony requires no personal change in their lives. Satan is in the business of doing nothing.

Then on the opposite side, we have ex-gays that give us a very disturbing testimony regarding same-sex-sodomy addictions that were destroying them spiritually. Some ex-gays are now pastors of churches. On this forum, some told us about the terrible things this tragic addiction did to them. After leaving same-sex-sodomy, their lives were restored and many are married to the opposite sex. Their personal testimonies show miraculous changes in their lives. God is in the business of doing miracles.

There CAN NOT BE two standards of moral conduct where one is carnal and the other is not. There can not be two God’s where one does nothing, and the other works miracles. There can not be two testimonies where one says gay is ok, and the other says it spiritually destroys them personally.

These two testimonies are incompatible. So which testimony about Jesus are we supposed to believe?

I think the answer is obvious from the results: sin destroys, but Christ came to give us life more abundantly. We should help those that want to live without addictions in their lives.

What Christian brother or sister would offer recovering alcoholics another drink of booze or recovering drug addicts another shot of heroin?

What Christian brother or sister would offer recovering sex-addicts the empty promise of a “loving monogamous gay relationship” to entice them back to the things that were destroying them spiritually?

[rev 1] NOTE all the points in this post are summarized here:

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[Ohioprof]

To my Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

We have two opposing testimonies regarding spiritual life in Christ, but only one of them can be true. There is only one Christ – not two of them, and only one standard for Christian conduct – not two standards.

We have a group of gay-affirmers that testifies to the benefits of same-sex-sodomy in their own Christian lives. Few deny that it is carnality. Their testimony requires no personal change in their lives. Satan is in the business of doing nothing.

Then on the opposite side, we have ex-gays that give us a very disturbing testimony regarding same-sex-sodomy addictions that were destroying them spiritually. Some ex-gays are now pastors of churches. On this forum, some told us about the terrible things this tragic addiction did to them. After leaving same-sex-sodomy, their lives were restored and many are married to the opposite sex. Their personal testimonies show miraculous changes in their lives. God is in the business of doing miracles.

There CAN NOT BE two standards of moral conduct where one is carnal and the other is not. There can not be two God’s where one does nothing, and the other works miracles. There can not be two testimonies where one says gay is ok, and the other says it spiritually destroys them personally.

So who’s lying?

I think the answer is obvious from the results: sin destroys, but Christ came to give us life more abundantly. We should help those that want to live without addictions in their lives.

What Christian brother or sister would offer recovering alcoholics another drink of booze or recovering drug addicts another shot of heroin?

What Christian brother or sister would offer a recovering sex-addict the empty promise of a “loving monogamous gay relationship” to entice them back into sin?

I am gay, and I am not addicted to sex. I don't even have sex. To compare being gay with being an alcoholic or a drug addict is simply to disparage gay people out of your own prejudice. If you don't like gay people, then leave us alone, and please stop slandering us.

 

[MercyBurst]

I am gay, and I am not addicted to sex. I don't even have sex.

Then you are not a same-sex-sodomite.

To compare being gay with being an alcoholic or a drug addict is simply to disparage gay people out of your own prejudice.

I never did that. Rather, I compared same-sex-sodomy to other physical addictions that people struggle with. Addictions destroy people, and somebody is always selling those addictions.

If you don't like gay people, then leave us alone, and please stop slandering us.

Well supposedly you are my sister in Christ. If you aren't involved in sodomy, then good for you if that is what you chose. But why would you encourage others to do what you don't do?

 

[Ohioprof]

Then you are not a same-sex-sodomite.



I never did that. Rather, I compared same-sex-sodomy to other physical addictions that people struggle with. Addictions destroy people, and somebody is always selling those addictions.



Well supposedly you are my sister in Christ. If you aren't involved in sodomy, then good for you if that is what you chose. But why would you encourage others to do what you don't do?

I haven't encouraged anyone to have sex. I have encouraged YOU to stop slandering gay people.

I am a gay person, whether you want to affix a nasty label to me or not. I am gay whether I have sex or not.

Having intimate relations with one's committed life partner is NOT an "addiction." And it's not for you to judge other people's relationships and say rude and nasty things about them.

 

[Phinehas2]

It should be quite apparent that the first response to a thread about two testimonoies of Jesus Christ is a personal affirmation of gayness with no atttempt to address the thread title.

Dear Ohioprof, may I similalry ask you to stop slandering our Lord Jesus Christ, one of the two testimonies.

 

[Ohioprof]

It should be quite apparent that the first response to a thread about two testimonoies of Jesus Christ is a personal affirmation of gayness with no atttempt to address the thread title.

Dear Ohioprof, may I similalry ask you to stop slandering our Lord Jesus Christ, one of the two testimonies.

I have never slandered Jesus, and I never will.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

I have never slandered Jesus, and I never will.

Some would take saying his word isn't his word as a "slander"

 

[Ohioprof]

Some would take saying his word isn't his word as a "slander"

But I don't regard it as slander. I don't believe the Bible is God's word. You are free to believe otherwise.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

But I don't regard it as slander. I don't believe the Bible is God's word. You are free to believe otherwise.

Of course.

 

[davedjy]

Then you are not a same-sex-sodomite.

Read the NKJV of 1 Cor. 6:9... even in that, a sodomite is listed as something separate from a homosexual. A sodomite = an inhabiter of Sodom.

Why would Ohioprof have anything to do with sodomy anyways? she claims to be a lesbian.

 

[MercyBurst]

I haven't encouraged anyone to have sex. I have encouraged YOU to stop slandering gay people.

The words "gay" and "homosexual" are too confusing. Hence I don't call anyone by those names if I can help it.

I am a gay person, whether you want to affix a nasty label to me or not. I am gay whether I have sex or not.

Label yourself if you want to. I'm ONLY talking about the act of same-sex-sodomy.

Having intimate relations with one's committed life partner is NOT an "addiction."

You are right, a committed partner is not an addiction, rather it's a myth. Can you think of even one person that had only one same-sex partner in their entire lifetime?

And it's not for you to judge other people's relationships and say rude and nasty things about them.

The OP is about Christian testimony and spiritual life in Jesus Christ. Your icon says you are a unitarian. Does this thread really involve you?

 

[MercyBurst]

Read the NKJV of 1 Cor. 6:9... even in that, a sodomite is listed as something separate from a homosexual. A sodomite = an inhabiter of Sodom.

Why would Ohioprof have anything to do with sodomy anyways? she claims to be a lesbian.

I'm using Merriam-Webster's definition:

sodomy

Main Entry: sod·omy Pronunciation: \ˈsä-də-mē\

Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French sodomie, from Late Latin Sodoma Sodom;

from the homosexual proclivities of the men of the city in Genesis 19:1–11 Date: 13th century : anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal

— sod·om·it·ic \ˌsä-də-ˈmi-tik\ or sod·om·it·i·cal \-ti-kəl\ adjective

 

[Ohioprof]

The words "gay" and "homosexual" are too confusing. Hence I don't call anyone by those names if I can help it.



Label yourself if you want to. I'm ONLY talking about the act of same-sex-sodomy.



You are right, a committed partner is not an addiction, rather it's a myth. Can you think of even one person that had only one same-sex partner in their entire lifetime?

And yes, this thread does include me. I am a Unitarian Universalist Christian.



The OP is about Christian testimony and spiritual life in Jesus Christ. Your icon says you are a unitarian. Does this thread really involve you?

Yes, I know gay people who have had one partner in their lifetime.

 

[Ohioprof]

I'm using Merriam-Webster's definition:

sodomy

Main Entry: sod·omy Pronunciation: \ˈsä-də-mē\

Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French sodomie, from Late Latin Sodoma Sodom;

from the homosexual proclivities of the men of the city in Genesis 19:1–11 Date: 13th century : anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal

— sod·om·it·ic \ˌsä-də-ˈmi-tik\ or sod·om·it·i·cal \-ti-kəl\ adjective

I don't copulate with someone of either sex.

Also, since most heterosexuals reportedly engage in oral sex, by your definition, they commit sodomy.

 

[MercyBurst]

I don't copulate with someone of either sex.

Also, since most heterosexuals reportedly engage in oral sex, by your definition, they commit sodomy.

indeed, but it is not same-sex-sodomy.

BTW, the bible (that you don't accept) tells us that the bed is undefiled in marriage. Hence sodomy is covered in a marriage relationship. Otherwise it is just fornication no matter who is doing it.

 

[MercyBurst]

Yes, I know gay people who have had one partner in their lifetime.

We are talking one sexual partner. How old is the oldest one?

Even if you can find one, it does not help our Christian brothers and sisters that left same-sex-sodomy to follow the Lord's call in their lives.

I call the entire ex-gay community to the witness stand regarding same-sex-sodomy and the damage it caused to their spiritual lives.

 

[Ohioprof]

We are talking one sexual partner. How old is the oldest one?

Yes, one intimate life partner.

I know quite a few such couples. The oldest couple has one partner who is 75 and the other partner who is 73, I believe.

 

[Ohioprof]

indeed, but it is not same-sex-sodomy.

BTW, the bible (that you don't accept) tells us that the bed is undefiled in marriage. Hence sodomy is covered in a marriage relationship. Otherwise it is just fornication no matter who is doing it.

If that is what you believe, then don't have same-sex relations, and leave other people alone, please. It's not your business to tell other people what kind of relationships they should or should not have. That is up to them.

 

[MercyBurst]

If that is what you believe, then don't have same-sex relations, and leave other people alone, please. It's not your business to tell other people what kind of relationships they should or should not have. That is up to them.

This is my OP. Either kindly butt out or I will ignore you.

 

[MercyBurst]

Yes, one intimate life partner.

I know quite a few such couples. The oldest couple has one partner who is 75 and the other partner who is 73, I believe.

Your argument is irrelevant to our Christian brothers and sisters that fight same-sex addictions.

They left those addictions to live for Jesus Christ as a witness and a personal testimony to Him.

Your arguments do not help them recover from their hurts. Rather you and other gay-affirmers make matters worse for them.

Gay-affirmers can not tolerate an ex-gay christian. They are singled out for persecution by hate-mongers like Wayne Besen's ex-gay watch.

Then we have "so-called" Christian brothers and sisters that do the same thing to ex-gays, and look like devils.

Ex-gays make tremendous personal sacrifices to serve God the best they can. Their offerings are highly commendable. They have given far more of themselves than most Christians.

How can a Christian brother or sister criticize them and entice them back to sin? This is incompatible within Christianity, and one side will have to go. I support my brothers and sisters in Christ that are fighting to overcome sexual addictions.