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One Doctrine? One Truth?

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leecappella

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When someone says their doctrine comes from the bible and that's why it is the truth, is it really? If one can back up their doctrine with bible scripture and so can another, yet they come out disagreeing, who is to say which person's doctrine is 'the truth' and the other person's doctrine is false? Both have whole heartedly searched the scriptures and themselves and both have ended up on opposite sides of one or more issues. Is the 'truth' we say we know the actual truth or is it just what justifies what we do and say? If there were one actual truth, why does it appear that a lot of Christians disagree on what that one truth is? People who pray to God, go to church, and have personal relationships with the Creator do not agree on this or on that. If one truth existed, why do these people, me included, not come to the same conclusions? Is is due to our uniqueness or what? Input, input, please!!

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Well you have the ABSOLUTE Truth, which all Christians will agree on, and that is that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and He died to save us from our sins and HE was risen three days later and now sits at His Father's right hand and is awaiting the time to come backl and get those that belong to Him.

Then you have Doctrinal truth which is all the stuff that is important, but not eternally important. Things such as Calvinism, Arminianism, Sabbath Day, Sin, and things that we talk about on here. These things are very important for our spiritual growth but not important as far as our salvitic situation.

The only TRUTH there really is is Jesus Christ and Him crucified and raised again for our sins.

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leecappella said:
When someone says their doctrine comes from the bible and that's why it is the truth, is it really? If one can back up their doctrine with bible scripture and so can another, yet they come out disagreeing, who is to say which person's doctrine is 'the truth' and the other person's doctrine is false? Both have whole heartedly searched the scriptures and themselves and both have ended up on opposite sides of one or more issues. Is the 'truth' we say we know the actual truth or is it just what justifies what we do and say? If there were one actual truth, why does it appear that a lot of Christians disagree on what that one truth is? People who pray to God, go to church, and have personal relationships with the Creator do not agree on this or on that. If one truth existed, why do these people, me included, not come to the same conclusions? Is is due to our uniqueness or what? Input, inpute!!

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There is one Truth and that is Jesus Christ. And the holder and sustainer of all truth is God. He decides what is true and what is not. So even if we all have it wrong there is still truth. What God says truth is is truth no matter what I say. God decides whose doctrines are true or false.

We still do not get it all right because we still sin and are not fully glorified yet. We will be one day but we are not yet. We also live in a fallen world that won/t be fallen forever. Praise God! All of creation is yearning the day that it can become new again. One day we will know all truth and we will be in full fellowship with God. I can't wait for that day.
 
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So, if we could all have it wrong in regards to our doctrines and it is God who decides whose doctrines are true or false, why are we on this forum debating with one another about what someone believes compared to how we see what they believe in relation to the bible? Why are some here telling others what they believe or how they believe is false if God is the one who makes that decision?

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leecappella said:
So, if we could all have it wrong in regards to our doctrines and it is God who decides whose doctrines are true or false, why are we on this forum debating with one another about what someone believes compared to how we see what they believe in relation to the bible? Why are some here telling others what they believe or how they believe is false if God is the one who makes that decision?

In agape love,
leecappella

That my friend is a goooood question. I am here for the fellowship personally. You may also note that there are many who do not believe in God or are members of cults that come here to discuss and learn, and I come to teach correct and rebuke in accordance with God's Word.

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"So, if we could all have it wrong in regards to our doctrines and it is God who decides whose doctrines are true or false, why are we on this forum debating with one another about what someone believes compared to how we see what they believe in relation to the bible? Why are some here telling others what they believe or how they believe is false if God is the one who makes that decision?"

-because truth encompasses all things that are true, and doctrine is the main way of conveying it. It is very illogical and unreasonable to say that God is truth but all these other things are just technicalities that he will overlook.

I believe truth is absolute, not relative. I seek to have a belief system that is true. I am Catholic becuase I have found answers to that question, and it is fulfilled in my belief in my Church or I would not be here.

"Some maintain that all the Christian Churches are parts forming between them the one great universal and catholic Church.

If that were so, they credit Christ with having established a very peculiar kind of Church to teach in His name. For if every Church which professes to be Christian is part of the one true Church, then this Church teaches simultaneously that Baptism is necessary for salvation, and that it is not necessary; that infants must be baptized, and that they must not be baptized; that the Pope is the antichrist, and yet he is the Vicar of Christ; that Confession is an obligation, and yet it is an abomination; that Christ is really present in the Eucharist, but at the same time is really absent. It is impossible to believe that Christ, Truth itself, and infinite Wisdome, taught such contradictory doctrines and obligations."

We discuss these things because they are very important. God is truth, anything that is not true is error, and wherever contradiction is, error is for there is only one truth.

As the above example notes, one side is Catholic and the other Protestant. Anyone may feel free to choose whichever sides, but it is impossible that both sides are correct.

"Question: If Christ came to earth today, would He not bless all the Christian churches, despite their doctrinal differences?

Answer: No. Remember that Jesus said, "I am the Truth." Truth excludes error. He founded His Church and said, "If a man will not hear the Church, let him be as a heathen (Matt 18:17). That does not sound much like a blessing. Again he said to his Apostles, "He who despises you despises Me; and he who despises Me, despises Him that sent Me" (Luke 10:16). Also, "He that is not with Me is against Me (Matt 12:30). If it is true that Sunday should be observed by Christians, would He have a blessing for the church which still insists on the Jewish Saterday? If He is really present in the Blessed Eucharist, would He be equally pleased with the doctrine of those who deny His presence there? He would say, "I do not blame those who are mistaken through no fault of their own, but I object to doctrines which deny the truth I revealed to mankind. And I cannot bless organizations devoted to the diffusion of error."


http://www.scborromeo.org/index2.htm (See Point Paper-"Is one Church as good as another?"
 
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