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redleghunter

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We know God is not a God of confusion. There are no contradictions other than the ones we create.

The logical harmony is such a person who sooner or later rejects Christ is an apostate.

The apostle John addresses this:

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. (1 John 2:19)

I think one of the greatest deceptions in Christianity today is what is called Decisonal Regeneration:

What is decisional regeneration / decision theology?

You are right though. Like the sower scattering the seed, we don’t know the hearts of others. We can only observe the fruits of a brother or sister in Christ. And the fruit comes from the Vine which is Christ lest we boast of it.
 
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Yet some here make an entire theology on the supposed child of God going back to full blown sinful living. I’m just trying to find a NT example of such a person.
I guess you never heard of the prodigal son.
 
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Yes a lot of If statements - which you ignore. You continue to ignore v.13. Why is that?? If you claim v.13 does not apply to believers because it applies to those who don't have the Spirit and are unsaved, that is impossible. Why? Because ONLY BELIEVERS have the choice IF to live according to the Spirit OR IF to live according to the flesh. If Paul were only addressing unbelievers, he would have had to use the word SINCE instead of IF. Unbelievers do not have the Spirit, therefore they can only live according to the flesh and have no choice thus Paul would have wrote SINCE you live according to the flesh, you will die. "IF" CAN ONLY APPLY to BELIEVERS hence your interpretation/belief is erroneous. Explain that away if you can.
The rest of chapter 8 verifies v.13. Verses 38-39 does not mention sin because sin does separate from God.
 
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You yourself said in post#98, "if you are born of God, you will not continue to practice sin/habitually sin."
Yes if you are born of God you will not continually sin. I NEVER said that means that you were never a believer in the first place, as that is what you claim - not me. If you are born of God you will still occasionally sin because no one is without sin. However those born of God do not practice sin, because if they practice sin, they will spiritually die according to Rom 8:13. Comprende?

But now you both contradict both what the Bible says, and what you yourself have said by saying,[/QUOTE]
No, based on your misunderstanding which you now hopefully comprehend.

Seeing as you explicitly reject what John clearly stated, I think we're done.
What did John explicitly state? That anyone who practices sin is OF THE DEVIL? I agree with that but you are the one who rejects it.
Any more questions? You should be able to defend your doctrine.
 
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An absence of works is an absence of faith my friend. James 2:14-26 and John 15:1-10 are evidence that works are required for salvation. Not because we are saved by works but because a genuine faith undoubtedly produces works. So a person who doesn’t do good works does not have a genuine faith. They are not abiding in Christ.
 
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Are you saying you need works to be saved or not? I think I am misunderstanding what you are saying
 
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"IF" CAN ONLY APPLY to BELIEVERS hence your interpretation/belief is erroneous. Explain that away if you can.
No explanation necessary as you completely ignored Paul’s exhibition to the Romans on the distinction between those who are in Christ and those who are not. He is teaching them not warning them their new found faith was in jeopardy.

He is employing a teaching method.

If one has the Spirit then this

If one does not have the Spirit then this

Then reassuring them that the Holy Spirit testifies to our spirit we are children of God.
 
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What if a person is comatose?
 
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We've got a misunderstanding going on here. How does anything I said directly contradict Rom 8:13?
 
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That’s completely a self contradiction.

You tell someone who actually provided context to your inquiry they have to reconcile their point with the rest of Scriptures yet make an entire theology out of one verse.

You are telling him he has to use the remainder of the Bible to refute your one verse eisegesis in Romans 8:13.
 
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Excellent exhibition Mark.

I asked the question if Jesus chose Judas (He did) because from every Gospel reference we have on Judas, his betrayal was to fulfill the Scriptures. He was predestined to be that guy who would betray the Christ. Yet he willfully complied with the heart he had.
 
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Jesus gave him every opportunity to relent, Judas chose otherwise. Anyone interested in Christian ministry or doctrine will have to face this, I think that's the whole point. Judas was like the scorpion that stung the frog and they both died, in the end, the scorpion confessed, it's my character. He was a child of perdition when he was called, that much I'm sure of and did what his character dictated, betrayal.

Grace and peace,
Mark
 
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John's baptism of repentance. Trinitarian baptism was after Christ's death and Resurrection. He commanded it in Matthew 28.
Baptism was still taking place at the time of Jesus regardless if it was Trinitarian Baptism or not.
 
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Romans 8:

28And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

31What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 32He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things? 33Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies;34who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. 35Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

36Just as it is written,
“FOR YOUR SAKE WE ARE BEING PUT TO DEATH ALL DAY LONG;
WE WERE CONSIDERED AS SHEEP TO BE SLAUGHTERED.”

37But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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This does not wash with Augustine’s
On the Predestination of the Saints (Book I)

CHURCH FATHERS: On the Predestination of the Saints, Book I (Augustine)

The introductory has this:

That the predestinated are called by some certain calling peculiar to the elect, and that they have been elected before the foundation of the world; not because they were foreknown as men who would believe and would be holy, but in order that by means of that very election of gracethey might be such, etc.
 
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