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Once Saved, Always Saved?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by דוד חֵן (David), Sep 27, 2016.

Do you agree with OSAS (Once Saved, Always Saved)?

  1. Yes

  2. No

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  1. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member

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    So how do you understand the victorious part?
     
  2. aus22

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    I belive all men can be saved. Even those wo never heard of Christ. Therefor while it is possible to be save through faith in Christ there are other ways, Those who perform miracles and live a good life can be saved through the power of Christ even if they having hear of him.
     
  3. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    What is written in Scripture ?
    Only ONE WAY, not many. Jesus says this HIMSELF, and HE cannot lie.
    The other ways are heresy, false, and misleading.

     
  4. aus22

    aus22 Newbie

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    Yeshauaslavejeff. This is not my belief I believed all people can be saved. My Catholic Bible says in its notes that we should distinguish between justification and salvation. We cannot be saved without good works and accordingly St Paul repeatedly insists on the necessary of avoiding sin and doing good. But justification cannot be merited by us; it is a entirely gratuitous gift of of God.
     
  5. anna ~ grace

    anna ~ grace Newbie Supporter

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    I think a problem here is that when we go to the Scriptures and already have a certain theology in mind, we can easily "see" "evidence" for that theology in isolated verses. We can do this with just about anything.
     
  6. spiritman

    spiritman Well-Known Member

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    What are some of the other ways you can be saved?
     
  7. (° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)

    (° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The same way Enoch, Able and Noah were saved. Why should we assume that that door is now closed?
     
  8. SAAN

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    I see many teen accept Christ as a teen and when they enter the real world at 18, they either dont believe or live like a heathen or even worse than them.

    So can one who accepts Christ as a teen, but then never lives a Christ like life, or even denies Christ because they were challenged by a atheist is college be considered someone going to Heaven.

    Some will say they were never saved to begin with, but according to OSAS, once you accept Christ, you are set, but the bible blatantly says, those who live a lifestyle of Sexual immorality, Drunkeness, Idolatry, etc WILL NOT get into heaven.

    SO all these teens nationwide that accept Christ at a young age and stray away, if they die before they repent, are they still good because of OSAS even though Jesus said otherwise?
     
  9. anna ~ grace

    anna ~ grace Newbie Supporter

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    That's a very valid question. Good points, all.
     
  10. spiritman

    spiritman Well-Known Member

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    There is only one way anyone can be saved today and that is through Christ.

    Ac 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
     
  11. (° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)

    (° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I agree with this scripture. However, it leaves me with this nagging question as to what becomes of an individual who through no fault of their own, never given the opportunity to know Jesus? Like the isolated tribes in the Amazon? Do they go to hell simply because they were genuinely ignorant about Jesus through no fault of their own?

    Again I say that I do agree with the scripture. But how do we answer these questions?
     
  12. SAAN

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    I seriously doubt it, because its those who reject Christ that have to face judgement, so if they have never heard of Christ, how can they be accountable for rejecting something they have never heard of.
     
  13. (° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)

    (° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The only issue I see from this point of view is how it will affect missionary work. Should we share the gospel and risk someone rejecting it?
     
  14. spiritman

    spiritman Well-Known Member

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    I'm glad you agree with the scripture. We should always agree with God's Word even when we don't necessarily understand at the time.

    God is just and therefore gives everyone an opportunity to know Him.

    Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
    13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
    14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
    15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;
    16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

    It's not God's will that anyone should perish. He will make Himself known to anyone who desires to know Him.

    2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
     
  15. SAAN

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    Good point...kinda hard for someone to just accept some strangers out of no where telling them abotu someone they must accept or they go to hell.

    This missionary spoke at our church the other day and he went into the African villages and they were actually full of joy when they heard they didnt have to do sacrifices anymore when he told them about Jesus. The question that was going through my mind when he said that was, who told them or how did they know they had to do sacrifices to begin with.
     
  16. BobRyan

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    If really can hide the Gospel from them -- then their blood - on your head according to scripture.

    Would you rather "HAVE the MAP" for getting out of the woods - or with no map at all "guess your way out"??

    Satan works pretty hard to keep the Gospel away from people - according to some - that means all those people go straight to heaven. I don't think so.

    Everyone is still accountable for the fact that the "Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin and righteousness and judgment" John 16.

    In 2Thess 2- God says at the end of time many people perish in ignorance because they did not "receive a love of the truth".

    in the cross Jesus prayed "Father forgive them for they know not what they do" -- did that mean that all Jews that rejected Christ from then on would be bound for heaven?? no. See Romans 11.
     
  17. (° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)

    (° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Good point. I just figured that it is better to share the gospel as Jesus commanded us through the great commission and get all the answers from Him when we are in heaven.

    Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
     
  18. BobRyan

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    Amen! Christ commanded us to share the Gospel for very good reasons. We are "Christians" so then we obey Christ.
     
  19. ldibart

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    sorry I missed this ..the new testament talks about our father chatising his sons ..other interpertations called it beaten sore lol . "Or else bastards are we" Hebrews 12:6 states it .. also this shows that if he ACCEPTS us as sons we are saved BEFORE his return unlike what some posters think . SO if he calls us Sons we are indeed his son.
     
  20. marineimaging

    marineimaging Texas Baptist now living in Colorado

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    On one hand I think your question relies on it pointing to the unsaved. Secondly, the fruit we bear is not necessarily essential to salvation, especially if the world is judging us.

    Once saved, always saved because actual salvation means actually saved. Not sort of saved like some folks are referring to. Their picture of saved is to confess publicly and be baptized in the proper order and ritual. But what does this say if their heart is a liar? It says their limbs will be cut and cast away. It says their fruit is rotten. It says their yield is chaff, not the wheat. It says that they are not the salt of the earth, but have lost their flavor.

    If you take ALL of the Gospels into account and context then I can see your question pointing to the liars who confess they love Christ and call him saviour, but really don't. Fruit for some is all the see and that fruit can be false. Our fruits have to be visible to Christ, not the world. Have you ever done something in the name of Christ and then hid that you did it so that you would not receive credit? The world didn't see you do it so as far as they are concerned you "bore no fruit". However, Christ saw you, read your heart, accepted your deed, and impressed a jewel into your crown. Meanwhile, the world of the superficial church members will call you unfruitful and if unfruitful, unsaved. Maybe the liars have more impacted the percentage that vote they don't believe in OSAS. I thank God for His Love and never giving up on me. I have been weak and a sinner all my life and will be do the day I die. He knows that and Loves me anyway. He knows my heart is burdened with sin. He knows I do NOT wish to sin. OSAS is a gift. If not, the Bible, which is HIS WORD, is a liar.
     
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