once saved, always saved?

[JPH]

so ur saying when we sin, we are still saved? I thought we hav to confess everytime we mess up or else we are not saved....
.. this makes more sense to me.

And i feel remorse and sorrow and i try to repent and sanctify myself of habitual sins from before i was saved.

We all still sin,even as believers but or attitude twd sin is different than before.We dont enjoy it now,we feel convicted after,and we are motivated to change.As an unbeliever we sinned and didnt care and took pleasure in it.But logically ,if one sin is as bad as another in GODS eyes andd one "little" sin can send us to hell just like a "bad" one then we would need to confess every sin we comitt.I cant keep track of them all so if i fgt to confess one i would be doomed. BUT,That is the good news that Jesus died for every single one of our sins.We are now seen as righteous inGods eyes.It is good to confess though because its like saying you are sorry to a friend after you did something wrong.It keeps your relationship clean and fresh.
One more thing.We have been saved by GRACE thru Faith.Not by works.In other words we couldnt do anything to earn our salvation.So why do people think it is up to our own strength and effort to "stay saved".Jesus saved us and he will keep us.
Our sin affects our relationship with God but not our standing as his child.
PEACE!!! J

 

[holderz]

so ur saying when we sin, we are still saved? I thought we hav to confess everytime we mess up or else we are not saved....
.. this makes more sense to me.

And i feel remorse and sorrow and i try to repent and sanctify myself of habitual sins from before i was saved.

Hi Dyin2live, remember what i quoted in my first post on this thread, once you believed in Christ, your eternally sealed (rom 8:38-39) & nothing can break that,

But when you sin you lose fellowship with God & filling of the spirit, which is your spiritual power source & guidance to live the spiritual life. all you do to regain this is simple (1john 1:9)

1John 1:9 - name & site that sin or sins to the father in prayer
Phil 3:13 - forget it and keep on moving

This is a perfect illustration of what am talking - the status of the born again believer. (click link to view diagram)

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PM me if you would like a link to this digital book, it will help you clear up this issue.

regards
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[holo]

But when you sin you lose fellowship with God & filling of the spirit

Whoa now...

That sounds, well, untrue. We don't lose fellowship with the Lord. The Spirit is in us and around us and with us. If/when we sin, we have a lawyer, a spokesperson - Christ himself.

Jesus is your lawyer, and he doesn't defend you because you've done everything right, but because you're his, because he loves you. And if Jesus is your lawyer you'll win the case

 

[holderz]

Whoa now...

That sounds, well, untrue. We don't lose fellowship with the Lord. The Spirit is in us and around us and with us. If/when we sin, we have a lawyer, a spokesperson - Christ himself.

Jesus is your lawyer, and he doesn't defend you because you've done everything right, but because you're his, because he loves you. And if Jesus is your lawyer you'll win the case

Ok let me put it another way, you lose the ability temporally, to have fellowship with God as the filling of the spirit is the ONLY way to have fellowship with him,
If there is another way please tell me & give me chapter and verse in the new testament.

here are 2 of the 7 different ministries of God the holy spirit
1. Indwell-ment - eternal (Rom 8:38-39)
2. The filling of the spirit – temporary (which gives you the ability to learn his plan, have fellowship with God in time & the power to live the spiritual life) (Eph 5:16/5:18/Joh 4:24)


When you sin, you don’t lose the indwelling of God the Holy Spirit (which sealed you at salvation), as you are his temple (1Con 3:16/1Con 6:19-20).
As you mentioned he is in us.

you through your own decision (free will) have simply choose to operate in the old man (the sin nature) rather than operate under the filling of God The Holy Spirit which like the word of God says is the only way to have fellowship with him in time.
Paul kinda talks about it in Eph 4.

if we could not lose fellowship with him in time,
why would God command is in Eph 5:18 to be filled with the spirit?
And why would God say in passages like
Eph 5:16 walk by means of the spirit and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh?

and its says in Joh 4:24
Joh 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must(this is a command) worship in spirit (the filling of God the Holy Spirit) and truth (the Word of God)."

& 1 John 1:9 is how we get back in fellowship with him via naming the sin or sins only to him in prayer.

when concluding things doctrinal, God commands us to have fellowship with him but he has given us the free will to choose either way.

regards

 

[holo]

I don't see how that implies that sin somehow cuts us off from fellowship with the Lord...

 

[heymikey80]

Whoa now...

That sounds, well, untrue. We don't lose fellowship with the Lord. The Spirit is in us and around us and with us. If/when we sin, we have a lawyer, a spokesperson - Christ himself.

Jesus is your lawyer, and he doesn't defend you because you've done everything right, but because you're his, because he loves you. And if Jesus is your lawyer you'll win the case

I'd agree with this in thinking about my salvation, but the confidence that I have and the awareness that I have about my salvation isn't simply thinking. It seems dependent on things I do.

And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says "I know him" but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may be sure that we are in him: whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked. 1 Jn 2:3-6
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They don't permanently bar my fellowship, either, but are restored on confession and repentance -- which are brought by the Spirit of God into the heart of the sinner. But they do affect my side of fellowship with God.

 

[JPH]

I don't see how that implies that sin somehow cuts us off from fellowship with the Lord...

Perhaps it is like when Adam and Eve sinned they hid from God. Our status as his child doesnt change but often mans first response after sin is not repentance.Hopefully it does come quickly but we feel guilty,ashamed,unworthy,and sometimes it takes time (hours or days)to go to God ,confess and realize his mercy and fiorgiveness.God does not turn from us but we "hide "from him.In that sense we are out of fellowship with the Lord.
Peace!
j

 

[holo]

Perhaps it is like when Adam and Eve sinned they hid from God. Our status as his child doesnt change but often mans first response after sin is not repentance.Hopefully it does come quickly but we feel guilty,ashamed,unworthy,and sometimes it takes time (hours or days)to go to God ,confess and realize his mercy and fiorgiveness.God does not turn from us but we "hide "from him.In that sense we are out of fellowship with the Lord.
Peace!
j

Exactly. God didn't leave them, but they tried to hide from him because they were afraid and ashamed. They should've run directly to him instead

 

[harsum]

I beleive in the once saved always saved statemnet.Once you are born again you are given eternal life...you are saved from the wage of sin...death....whoever that don't give no one the right to use that as an excuse..so to speak....i beleive if a person is trully saved ..born again..than he will always be saved...can a man crawl back into his mothers womb and be born again?no once you are saved in Jesus christ...truely saved...than you are always saved...he will never leave you nor forsake you..once a good work is started in us he will perform it until the end.we are sinners saved by gace.ephesians 2:8 "for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves it is a gift of god.God has given us the gift of salvastion...do you honestly beleive if you make mistakes,,,he will take that away from you?i also beleive salvation is not a one time deal.in the sence that when you asked jesus into your heart that was it....let me explain..Justification..sanctifiocation and glorification the way i understand it.
Justification-past tense- saved Immediatly from sin's penalty...death..you accepted the lord and beleived on him..what he did on the cross.immediatly you are saved from death. you are given the gift of eternal life.
sanctification-present tense-you are being saved progressively from sin's power.
glorification-future sense- saved ultimately from sins presence.
but the ultimate question once saved always saved? i beleive if one was truely saved..than yes always saved..
people say that if you beleive this statement than thats why people continue sinning. we all sin and continue to sin after being saved.....it is the holy spirit that makes manifest the sins that so easily beset us.. and works it out of our lives... this is a life long process....god is conforming us into his image...some sins take longer to get rid of out of our lives than others....but he started a work in us and will finish it to the end.we are saved from the penalty of sin which is death.