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Let me ask you a few questions. Can you honestly say that you love your neighbor as yourself? Have you given all that you own to those who lack those things? Do you feed and care for them even as you would for yourself?
 
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So God's knowledge has limits? To quote the guy from the shining: "Boink, WRONG!"

His knowledge, in fact, is “perfect [Job 37:16] and is “beyond measure” [Psa. 147:5]. He sees every move we make, He knows the innermost thoughts of our hearts and He even knows what we are going to say before we say it [1 Sam. 16:7; 1 Chron. 28:9; Psa. 139:1-6; Jer. 17:10; Heb. 4:12-13]. Unlike the false gods of our time, the Lord knows everything: Even what’s going to happen in the future [Isa. 41:21-24; 42:9; 44:7]. Jesus, interestingly enough, also tells us that our heavenly Father numbers the very hairs on our head. By the way, it’s interesting to note that God actually revealed to Isaiah the name of Cyrus even before he was actually born — in fact, one century before he was born. Cyrus, of course, was the king who returned the Jews to their homeland after the Babylonian exile [Isa. 44:28-45:1]
 
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So God's knowledge has limits? To quote the guy from the shining: "Boink, WRONG!"

I see no benefit in you having a discussion about me when I'm not involved.

Where in the world did you come up with that one?


If it is from my statement that there are strangers to God in Christ you may turn to the following, and I quote:

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Go look up the definition of 'a stranger.'
 
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Seeing as how you stated "There are people which Christ does not KNOW", it is a logical assumption that, since Christ is God, there is a limit to God's knowledge, according to your statement.
 
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Seeing as how you stated "There are people which Christ does not KNOW", it is a logical assumption that, since Christ is God, there is a limit to God's knowledge, according to your statement.

Just looking at His Own Statement.

Thanks for your concern.

We probably have a different view of the term people, I would suspect.

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Yes, our Lord Jesus Christ told us to not judge others, and so other believers should not be judged in regards to their remaining saved. But in speaking of rejecting deliberate sin, this is what it should come to in the growth in godly living when truly coming to Christ as he has called, if there has been deliberate sin since then, we can judge for ourselves. We should come to living out what we are told according to all the word of Yahweh God. Can you really say there was never, ever any deliberate sin since you first came to Christ? This would be unique. Yet even Peter was taken back when having denied Christ he wept and repented from it.
 
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Let me ask you a few questions. Can you honestly say that you love your neighbor as yourself? Have you given all that you own to those who lack those things? Do you feed and care for them even as you would for yourself?
After accepting Jesus’ call to his ministry, he asked me to give him my life. When I was about to say yes the Holy Spirit let me know that if I gave my life to Jesus I would lose everything I owned. A few months later found me living in a tent with my wife, three babies, and a dog.

After living in a tent for a month and a half, I gave even the tent away to another family that was in need.

I lived from paycheck to paycheck with never any money in a bank.

When our family saw people in need, even though we had very little we shared what we had.

There was a time when we were down to five dollars, and I was out of work and no money coming in. I did not even have food stamps. Yet we saw people we knew from church that had as little as we had, used the five dollars to buy extra food so they could have a Thanksgiving dinner with us.

Yes my wife and I walked the walk that Jesus taught for thirty years.

What possessions I have to use now are all shared with others.

I worked until age seventy-four when my back gave out, and was no longer able to do my job.

I did not learn about living God’s Word from reading about it. No, Jesus taught me to live his word by actually living his Word.


 
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Just looking at His Own Statement.

Thanks for your concern.

We probably have a different view of the term people, I would suspect.

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I define people as human beings. As to the term person, that would be any being capable of rational decisions.
 
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That does not mean you did it perfectly. You may be older and more experienced. But you are human. Therefore, you have faults. There was never a time in the life of Paul when he claimed to be without sin. In fact, he referred to himself as the chief of sinners. Never did the Apostles claim that they had rid themselves of sin.
 
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I define people as human beings. As to the term person, that would be any being capable of rational decisions.

I would strongly suggest your sight is no where near scripturally accurate, but whatever. I believe we've tried it before and I yawned on.
 
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Exactly. I think we should look at this as a both/and scenario, rather than either/or.

It was the knowledge of good and evil that did us in.
 
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Jesus had to fulfill the scripture, even as it said here

John 19:36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.

Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Says it was determined before as it pertained to Pilate and Herod and not opening his mouth even here...

Acts 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

Acts 4:28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

So Pilate asked him what is truth, but even Pilate and Herod (of a truth) were against Jesus (who is the truth). This was written in the scripture of truth he came fulfill. For that hour he had come

Acts 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
 
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Well, most in that list were declared righteous by God or by Jesus, surely neither Father nor Son is impressed by 'righteousness before men'. And when Jesus used that phrase, it was definitely not a compliment, though all those I listed were certainly being commended.

Perhaps righteousness is not quite equivalent to 'sinless perfection'?
 
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Bingo! Amen!
 
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Jesus had to fulfill the scripture, even as it said here

of course.

Again, indeed. They were slated, PREdetermined, to RESIST and in that they executed their ROLES exactly as God Himself intended.

I have examined the 'roles, ways and means' of resistors to God for quite a long time, not wanting to be found in that place...

Yes, but you do understand that God does purposefully withhold information from the majority?

It's such a fascinating construct, we humans.

Matthew 13:14
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

To what I call the uninitiated what we dicuss here would be quite unintelligible and senseless. Well at least my posts would be....

Genuine Christians are in fact a very very rare bird and should not be sentenced for any reason to the eternal cooking bag. They are most precious in His Sight.

Jewels of the Most High without any doubt.

Those who seek to diminish the faith of others by dangling them over the eternal flames of hell are not doing themselves or their fellow believers any favors, as much as they might think they are.

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God is Truly A Genius beyond comprehensions. The Word is quite technically marvelous in it's accuracy about the human condition. Especially when the factors of the 'not human' are metered into the equations.

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Amen!

Our God is Holy, who is like Him? He couldn't possibly make things any easier, and He couldn't possibly make them harder.
 
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