On Whether or Not Biden Can Win the Fall Election

[The Barbarian]

You support it and want to defend it's practice. You're not against it.

As I said, you don't pay much attention. I pointed out that the Dobbs decision led to an increase in the number of Americans who support abortion. I also pointed out that it was a bad thing because it set back pro-life. C'mon.

Abortion is sacred and must be defended no matter the cost.

I'll have to disagree with you there.

Except this is the position of the democrats like yourself.

You don't seem to be a democrat. And yet you support abortion. And I pretty much vote libertarian. Never voted in a democrat primary and it's been decades since I voted in a republican primary. Someone buy you a new projector for your birthday?

As the people of deep red Kansas did, when they voted to make it a constitutional right. I think a lot of pro-life people are aware of what Dobbs could mean for women in other respects.

Do you believe respecting women mean's respecting their right to kill their unborn children?

You think all those conservative voters passed a referendum to counter Dobbs so they could "kill their unborn children?" No, I think they saw an intent behind the decision that scared them enough to make sure it didn't happen to Kansas.

You're asserting that abortion is sacred. I thought you identified as a Christian?

I do

Seems inconsistent to me. It seems to me, you're really, really trying to project your issues on other people here. The fact that you're so eager to support a ruling that has damaged pro-life efforts, is more telling than your denials.

 

[Roman57]

Yeah, that's what he wanted Trump to think. Why do you suppose that Biden waited until Trump picked a VP and had all his talking points about cognitively-challenged old guys before he announced he wouldn't run again.

He can't be expecting everyone to see it from that particular angle when there are a lot of less favorable angles to see it at. The most obvious one is that Republicans have it all together and even picked vice president while democrats dont even have the presidential candidate yet. Also that Democrats were purposely hiding Bidens dementia and thus aren't trustworthy. And also it took attention away from Trumps criminal past.

As far as giving Democrats talking points against Trumps age, keep in mind that its not about age but about the way age affects you. For example, Pelosi is three years older than Biden yet she had concerns too. The way to get at Trump is really talk about his criminal record, not age. And being so indirect about it by drawing attention to Bidens age is hardly the way to go.

I mean, from the law of large numbers, i guess there might be small minority of Americans that would be swayed against Trump based off of your reasoning. But it would hardly be a significant number. I mean, even Democrat base lost its respect for Biden. So if that was his strategy of gaining some respect, it clearly didnt work.

Some people on social media are going back to the Dark Brandon approach and even claim that he blew the debate just to set Trump up.

But look at how Biden was humiliated as a result. So if it was all about pride, why would Biden allow himself to be humiliated in a supposedly calculated move?

As I pointed out, the way to win the election against Trump turned out to be not to run.

Thats another way of saying that Trump beats everybody. Which is again the opposite to the message Biden wants to convey

 

[The Barbarian]

But look at how Biden was humiliated as a result. So if it was all about pride, why would Biden allow himself to be humiliated in a supposedly calculated move?

I'm thinking that pride isn't as much an issue for Biden as it is for Trump. If that wasn't true, the whole excercise would have been pointless.

The fact that Biden, not quite a year ago, outsmarted the House republicans in those negotiations, kind of puts it all in perspective, I suppose.

 

[Roman57]

The fact that Biden, not quite a year ago, outsmarted the House republicans in those negotiations, kind of puts it all in perspective, I suppose.

I dont follow all the stuff, only the things that grab my attention. What events are ylu referring to, and can you summarize what happened?

 

[The Barbarian]

I dont follow all the stuff, only the things that grab my attention. What events are ylu referring to, and can you summarize what happened?

Biden went one on one with House Speaker Kevin McCarthy in budget negotiations. In spite of McCarthy's jab that he'd bring Biden "soft food", Biden easily outsmarted him, even according republican House members.

 

[Yuwang]

You ask the Democrats to make huge changes in less than six months. It can't happen in less than decades. What we are seeing now in the Democratic Party is the result of McGovernism. It showed itself in the 1968 Chicago convention. It is longstanding. Only a bit more extreme now.

Point is we need a different political party to get the attitudinal changes you want to see. The Democrats cannot change. At least not this year. This is whether Joe Biden is replaced or not replaced. The Republicans are similarly unable to change, although in four years I think they have a chance of discarding some of Trumpism, which Party insiders never particularly liked anyhow.

Lets say there was a different political party that would satisfy you and not alienate on purpose evangelicals and faithful Catholics and be somewhat centrist. Most people are sold out to their present political party and would vote only for their political party no matter what. They won't change. And the parties will change only ever so glacially slowly. So we have Biden vs Trump. You can vote for that other party but it's going to be 45% Biden and 48% Trump and 7% everybody else. People love to hate their political opponents.

What I'd like to see is 30% Biden, 33% Trump, and 35% Sonski, and everybody else 2%. But I'm delusional that way. We get the government we deserve.

Here's where everybody piles on about how I would be throwing away my vote not to vote for Biden or Trump. I think a vote for either Biden or Trump is a thrown away vote.

It does not matter who wins, they are basically of the same mentality; More Wars.

 

[chevyontheriver]

It does not matter who wins, they are basically of the same mentality; More Wars.

For a while the Democrats tried to project the idea that they were the party of peace. They aren't. Hillary was a war-hawk. Kamala may be a loose canon. Thrump is.