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*On Virginity* What the Holy Scriptures Teach

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There has been much discussion on the PV of the Theotokos. Some have stated that Mary was pure even if she had other children, or had sexual relations with Joseph. I disagree. :) From the beginning, life was virginal. Up until the Fall, Adam and Eve lived as angels and did not know each other intimately. It was after the Fall, that Adam knew Eve and she conceived. (Gen 4:1) As Christians, our whole purpose is to be united to God . . . to walk with Him as Adam and Eve did in the Garden. Mary is our new Eve. She said yes to God; whereas Eve said no. She is our first Christian and she was perfect, both physically and spiritually. Through her Godly example, she leads us to Christ. This does not mean that we should all be celibate or remain virgins if this is not our calling. What I am trying to establish here is that virginity is the higher calling and one held by the Theotokos.

First, let's look at what Jesus Christ has to say about celibacy.

His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with [his] wife, it is not good to marry.
But he said unto them, All [men] cannot receive this saying, save [they] to whom it is given.
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from [their] mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it]. (Matt 19: 10-12)

Paul has much to say on celibacy in 1 Corinthians 7, especially toward the middle.

Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, [I say], that [it is] good for a man so to be.
Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.
But this I say, brethren, the time [is] short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;
And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not;
And they that use this world, as not abusing [it]: for the fashion of this world passeth away.
But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please [his] wife.

There is difference [also] between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please [her] husband.
And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.
But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of [her] age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.
Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.
So then he that giveth [her] in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth [her] not in marriage doeth better.
(1 Cor 7:25-38)

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Christina
 
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Good post Asinner. I didn't see this vers in there, which is very important. Especially to those who claim that because Joseph and Mary were married (allthough they weren't) they would have had sex..

29But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;

Edit: ok I see it now..you should have bolded that one...:)
 
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There has been much discussion on the PV of the Theotokos. Some have stated that Mary was pure even if she had other children, or had sexual relations with Joseph. I disagree. :) From the beginning, life was virginal. Up until the Fall, Adam and Eve lived as angels and did not know each other intimately.
I'm sorry, but this is conjecture on your part.
"Genesis 2:23 Then Adam said, This [creature] is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of a man.
24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and shall become united and cleave to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." The fall isn't recorded until Genesis 3:6

It was after the Fall, that Adam knew Eve and she conceived. (Gen 4:1)
Correct.
As Christians, our whole purpose is to be united to God. . . to walk with Him as Adam and Eve did in the Garden. Mary is our new Eve. She said yes to God; whereas Eve said no. She is our first Christian and she was perfect, both physically and spiritually.
Sex and childbirth wouldn't make her, or any woman imperfect.

"1 Timothy 2:15 But women [ Greek she] will be saved [ Or restored] through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety."

Through her Godly example, she leads us to Christ. This does not mean that we should all be celibate or remain virgins if this is not our calling.
Also correct.

What I am trying to establish here is that virginity is the higher calling and one held by the Theotokos.
Mary was a virgin at Jesus birth, she was not afterward.

First, let's look at what Jesus Christ has to say about celibacy.

His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with [his] wife, it is not good to marry.
The verse this follows is concerning the difficulty of divorcing as Jesus says it should be. "Matthew 19:8 Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

But he said unto them, All [men] cannot receive this saying, save [they] to whom it is given.
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from [their] mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it]. (Matt 19: 10-12)

Paul has much to say on celibacy in 1 Corinthians 7, especially toward the middle.

Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, [I say], that [it is] good for a man so to be.
Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.
But this I say, brethren, the time [is] short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;
And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not;
And they that use this world, as not abusing [it]: for the fashion of this world passeth away.
But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please [his] wife.
There is difference [also] between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please [her] husband.
And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.
But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of [her] age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.
Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.
So then he that giveth [her] in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth [her] not in marriage doeth better. (1 Cor 7:25-38)

Love,
Christina
Okay, so where is there any mention of Mary or her virginity?
 
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Lets look at Matthew 19 a little deeper.
3Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?"
4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' 5and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate
7"Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?" 8Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."
10The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry." 11Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given.
Once again we see that it has to be given by God.. The gift of singleness. and if it is given then accept it gladly.
 
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25Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy. 26Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for you to remain as you are. 27Are you married? Do not seek a divorce. Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife. 28But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.
29What I mean, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none; 30those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; 31those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.
32I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.
36If anyone thinks he is acting improperly toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if she is getting along in years and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married. 37But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin—this man also does the right thing. 38So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does even better. 39A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord. 40In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is—and I think that I too have the Spirit of God.
In this passage Paul is talking about the time is short. Being concerned about the things of the Lord instead of the things of the world is what Paul is talking about here. He knows that with marriages come difficulties. But He goes on to say that to marry is not a sin. The last being a widow he is speaking of.
 
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Thank you for your responses so far. :wave: First, it needs to be established that virginity is the higher calling. I understand that many cannot receive this gift; however, in the above quotes, both by Christ and Paul, it is stated that those who can receive, let them receive.

Love,
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Thank you for your responses so far. :wave: First, it needs to be established that virginity is the higher calling. I understand that many cannot receive this gift; however, in the above quotes, both by Christ and Paul, it is stated that those who can receive, let them receive.

Love,
Christina
I see no where that it is stated that it is a higher calling.
 
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Thank you for your responses so far. :wave: First, it needs to be established that virginity is the higher calling. I understand that many cannot receive this gift; however, in the above quotes, both by Christ and Paul, it is stated that those who can receive, let them receive.

Love,
Christina
If you can establish virginity as a higher calling, biblically, please do so.
 
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It is stated in the quotes I posted. :cry:First, from Christ:

and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it]

Those that have power over their passions are able to receive it. This is higher than those who do not have power over their passions. Not everyone does, but those who can, should.
And then from Paul:
There is difference [also] between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please [her] husband.

Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.
So then he that giveth [her] in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth [her] not in marriage doeth better.


Paul says that a virgin is Holy both in body and spirit.

Love,
Christina
 
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It is stated in the quotes I posted. :cry:First, from Christ:

and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it]

Castration doesn't equal virginity.
Those that have power over their passions are able to receive it. This is higher than those who do not have power over their passions. Not everyone does, but those who can, should.
And then from Paul:
There is difference [also] between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please [her] husband.

Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.
So then he that giveth [her] in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth [her] not in marriage doeth better.


Paul says that a virgin is Holy both in body and spirit.

Love,
Christina
The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit:

Unmarried woman, might be widow, divorcee or spinster. Notice that it doesn't say virgin. A prostitute who has come to the Lord might be the unmarried woman in that verse.

And how does this develop into Mary's virginity after Jesus birth?
 
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Castration doesn't equal virginity.

They both require celibacy. :wave:


The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit:
Unmarried woman, might be widow, divorcee or spinster. Notice that it doesn't say virgin. A prostitute who has come to the Lord might be the unmarried woman in that verse.

Let me give you the whole verse . . . again. :sigh:
There is difference [also] between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please [her] husband.

And how does this develop into Mary's virginity after Jesus birth?

You still do not accept that virginity is the higher calling. Until we can establish what Holy Scriptures say, we cannot move forward. Let's look again at what Paul says in the beginning of 1Cor.

Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman.

Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

What does Paul say again . . . [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman. Paul then continues, knowing that because of our passions and weaknesses, not all can bear this cross. So then he says, Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. To avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife . . . For those who cannot contain themselves, it is better to marry than to fornicate. Since God has sanctified marriage and blessed it through His Sacrament, marital sex has been granted economy for all of us who cannot remain celibate.


Further down:
For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.

But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.



Again, Paul states that remaining celibate is better. It is the higher way for those who can contain, for those who have received this gift of God.

Love,
Christina
 
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They both require celibacy. :wave:




Let me give you the whole verse . . . again. :sigh:
There is difference [also] between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please [her] husband.



You still do not accept that virginity is the higher calling. Until we can establish what Holy Scriptures say, we cannot move forward. Let's look again at what Paul says in the beginning of 1Cor.

Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman.

Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

What does Paul say again . . . [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman. Paul then continues, knowing that because of our passions and weaknesses, not all can bear this cross. So then he says, Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. To avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife . . . For those who cannot contain themselves, it is better to marry than to fornicate. Since God has sanctified marriage and blessed it through His Sacrament, marital sex has been granted economy for all of us who cannot remain celibate.


Further down:
For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.

But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.



Again, Paul states that remaining celibate is better. It is the higher way for those who can contain, for those who have received this gift of God.

Love,
Christina

Still does not pose as virginity as being a higher calling..
For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
Paul says that it is a proper gift from God.. Notice also when Paul compares Himself that Does so at the unmarried and the widow and not at the virgin part? It is believed that Paul to was married at one point in His life.
 
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They both require celibacy. :wave:
But celibacy doesn't require virginity.



Let me give you the whole verse . . . again. :sigh:
There is difference [also] between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please [her] husband.
To repeat, an unmarried woman needn't be a virgin.


You still do not accept that virginity is the higher calling. Until we can establish what Holy Scriptures say, we cannot move forward. Let's look again at what Paul says in the beginning of 1Cor.

Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman.

Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

What does Paul say again . . . [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman. Paul then continues, knowing that because of our passions and weaknesses, not all can bear this cross. So then he says, Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. To avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife . . . For those who cannot contain themselves, it is better to marry than to fornicate. Since God has sanctified marriage and blessed it through His Sacrament, marital sex has been granted economy for all of us who cannot remain celibate.
Masturbation doesn't require losing your virginity. And it's a darn good way to handle those passions.
Further down:
For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.

But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.



Again, Paul states that remaining celibate is better. It is the higher way for those who can contain, for those who have received this gift of God.

Love,
Christina
You are equating celibacy with virginity. They are hardly the same.
 
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I agree with Asinner on this... there is biblical evidence that for some, leading a single, celibate life is their calling.

I don't know if "higher" is a good term to use for it, You could be a lifelong virgin, pledged so because you are believing that you are doing it for God, and still do nothing of worth. Likewise, you could Mother 10 children from 10 different fathers, repent, and still do much for the Kingdom.

I don't know if I'd call it higher, but it is in there that virginity is a calling some receive.

However, this does not move naturally in to "Mary was an Ever Virgin." Given the facts you find in scripture.
 
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And the purpose for a Christian to abstain is . . . ?
They vary. There is not one reason.

some samples.

1) to avoid fornication, if you are not married.
2) for a time of fasting and prayer, during marriage. (notice, it says to return to each other in quick order in the same passage!)

So there isn't a singular reason to abstain from sex!

however, the passages regarding remaining single have less to do with sex, than to do with having a mate, and by that having your "attention" divided.

A Christian who is not married should not be having sex. So then, they will be celibate, and if they remain single, remain celebate. It is not the celibacy that is of real value though.... it's the lifelong dedication to working for God, instead of getting married, and having those divided attentions that Paul mentions. You have no wife/husband to please, just God. Some are called to this. However, celebacy is more of a by-product of this, not the reason!
 
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It is stated in the quotes I posted. :cry:First, from Christ:

and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it]

Does this say that He thinks it's a
higher calling or just another calling
though?
They made themselves eunuchs.
God didn't tell them to.
It doesn't say those who can should,
It could be implied, I'm not sure.

And then from Paul:
There is difference [also] between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please [her] husband.
Yes, Paul says that if someone isn't married
they have more time to give for the kingdom
of God.
Does he say it's the better thing?
Or another thing?



Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.
So then he that giveth [her] in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth [her] not in marriage doeth better.
And this is what God commands, or
is this where Paul speaks not of command
but of permission?

Thank you,
sunlover

BTW, are you interested in plain
old truth?
Or are you only interested in looking
at this side of the truth?
Because otherwise we would present
the other (married/sex) part of the
argument and see what God's
plan is in the overall big picture.
 
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They vary. There is not one reason.

some samples.

1) to avoid fornication, if you are not married.
2) for a time of fasting and prayer, during marriage. (notice, it says to return to each other in quick order in the same passage!)

So there isn't a singular reason to abstain from sex!

however, the passages regarding remaining single have less to do with sex, than to do with having a mate, and by that having your "attention" divided.

A Christian who is not married should not be having sex. So then, they will be celibate, and if they remain single, remain celebate. It is not the celibacy that is of real value though.... it's the lifelong dedication to working for God, instead of getting married, and having those divided attentions that Paul mentions. You have no wife/husband to please, just God. Some are called to this. However, celebacy is more of a by-product of this, not the reason!
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Uphill Battle again.

Awesome post.

Sunlover, IAA, would one of you all rep UB for me? Thanks. Mobi
 
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