On the dangers of arguing via quote (YEC-style)

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
On the other hand, if creationism were true, we'd see nice neat boundaries and "species" would be easy to define.

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I'm showing you that if creationism were true, there wouldn't be all these "in-between" cases. We'd have nice, neat, definable species, genera, families, orders, classes, phyla, kingdoms, and domains. And we don't.

If creationism was true ... which it is ...

As you now see, it can't be. Unless you have some variant of creationism which allows for evolution.

I would assume you would see ... if you could go back there ... well-defined kinds roaming the earth.

Including satyrs, unicorns, dragons, cows, horses, frogs, birds, dinosaurs, and the like.

Um, satyrs, unicorns, and dragons, um? So creationism is about fantasy?

Sounds like "evolution isn't true, unless we need it at some point, but then it isn't true after that."

 

[AV1611VET]

It's a pretty hypocritical claim, though. Evolution can't happen gradually over millions of years, but it can happen practically overnight?

First of all, the micro/macro distinction would remove any validity to the claim of hypocrisy.

Second of all, it can't "happen practiclly overnight," unless God does it.

Thirdly, I don't want to discuss something that happened after the creation week as pertaining to a comment like this:

On the other hand, if creationism were true, we'd see nice neat boundaries and "species" would be easy to define.

If you want to see "nice neat boundaries," ask God to take you back to the earth's history and show you day five.

 

[Strathos]

First of all, the micro/macro distinction would remove any validity to the claim of hypocrisy.

How so?

Second of all, it can't "happen practiclly overnight," unless God does it.

So now you believe in theistic evolution?

 

[The Barbarian]

It's a pretty hypocritical claim, though. Evolution can't happen gradually over millions of years, but it can happen practically overnight?

That was dreamed up to make it feasible to put all the animals on the Ark. The theory is a few "kinds" were saved, from which superhyperevolution popped out dozens of new species every year until it stopped for some reason.

Yes, I know it sounds desperate, but that's what they say. You can read it in Woodmorappe's Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study. In an email discussion, he told me that new species, genera, and families evolved rapidly and then stopped. His position was since we know all animals that survived the Flood were on the Ark, and since there was no way to put all the animal species known today on the Ark, the only way to fix that up was to have super rapid evolution of new taxa for a while.

And yeah, the thinking is that God took care of it with another nonscriptural miracle. Miracles make any story possible.

 

[tas8831]

On the dangers of arguing ad-hoc evolutionary style......

One tends to make up things to suit their ends, while ignoring actual definitions......

Like the definition of mutation? Or allele? Or genetic strand?

 

[tas8831]

Evolution's a religion

It seems self-defeating for the creationist to try to denigrate evolution by claiming it is a religion.

 

[The Barbarian]

It seems self-defeating for the creationist to try to denigrate evolution by claiming it is a religion.

Yeah, that always surprises me. To be fair, most creationists won't use that one, I suppose, because it disparages faith in God.